[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Let's count all the reasons Pioli sucks:

Scott Pioli inherited a 2-14 team stockpiled with some of the worst players in the NFL. In three seasons, he has rebuilt it into a perennial playoff contender. He hired Todd Haley, boo hoo. Todd Haley and his staff actually took players like Dwayne Bowe, Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson and got them to reach their potential. Glenn Dorsey was a lost cause until Haley showed up and made him work off the gut.

Agreed. People point out that Pioli didn't bring in a bunch of superstars on his own, but on a shoestring budget, he's managed to turn this team from one with tons of holes to a team that has only a few. And now is starting to add bench depth.

When the relationship with Haley was unsalvageable, Pioli cut ties. He has drafted well, even when you don't like it. The only bad draft we've had with him has been the Tyson Jackson year, which was atrocious, but the guy had three months with the scouts to pick these guys. Scouts are out ALL year looking for the types of players you want. It was also an historically weak draft.

The relationship was unsalvageable because Pioli purposely sabotaged the relationship. That's childish for a GM to do that. And frankly, I think it cost us the opportunity to hire good coaches in the offseason and I sure hope it doesn't affect our ability to hire Phil Emery's replacement. As for your second point, Pioli arrogantly froze out Peterson's scouts. Scouts drive your picks in the 3rd round and beyond. That was an absolutely arrogant move and it cost him--that second day of the draft was embarrassingly bad.

Pioli traded for Matt Cassel, yeah. And it was a great trade. We got Mike Vrabel, who was absolutely instrumental in our transition to the 3-4, and a starting quarterback for a second round pick.

50/50 on this one. I hate the trade now, but appreciate the aggressiveness to make it.

Did Cassel have a pro bowl year? Where he threw 27 TD to 7 INT? Where he took us to the playoffs? Yes. Okay, then. I'll take that for a second round pick any time.

If anything, it set us back by setting true fan expectations that Cassel was a franchise QB, even though any trained eye would tell you that any average QB should have been markedly better than Cassel given what he was given.

The fact that Cassel has proven, OVER TIME, to not be the answer at QB is in no way an indictment of Pioli. We didn't know he wasn't the answer! He sure as hell looked like it in 2010. But oh boy, now that we know, we sure are ready to put Pioli in the doghouse for bringing him in. Hindsight is 20/20, and you have lasers coming out of your eyes. Settle down.

I don't have a problem with trying out Cassel and giving him time to prove if he was/wasn't the answer. I can't stand the arrogance of the front office to not bring in competition year after year after year. After Cassel's rough 2009, we should have drafted a QB, even if only in the second or third round. We should have brought in a veteran QB. we didn't do any of those things. And it sure seems like it was arrogance to prove he was right on the trade more than anything.

Pioli is going to be around for a LONG TIME. And frankly, I couldn't be happier. To be a good team, you have to have consistency, and that includes the front office. This team was one blocked field goal away from the playoffs last year, and that's after losing Berry, Charles, Moeaki, firing the head coach and losing the starting QB, and without their #1 draft pick for several weeks. And against a first-place schedule.

He's a terrific personnel guy. But he has to learn lessons and we haven't seen proof that he will. He hires coaches only from his tree, while successful GMs are comfortable looking outside of it. He has shown no ability or urgency to fill the most important positions on the field... QB. He waited 4 years to show the urgency to fill the most important position on defense. He is sabotaging the good things he does with mind-numbingly bad decisions.

This team is getting really good. Yes, we need a new QB, but did you really want Kirk freaking Cousins? Nick Foles? Come on, man. If we're taking a quarterback, it is going to be the best in the draft, not the seventh guy off the board with a noodle arm.

It's been 3 years. 4 drafts. And the best we have to show for it at QB is a longshot veteran in Brady Quinn and a 5th round pick to be the future that Cassel is not.