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Originally Posted by keg in kc
You're making an assumption based on a personal bias. You can't possibly know at this point what Geno Smith will be. As big a fan as I was, I don't know what Geno Smith will be at this point, either.
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The point is that Smith and Brees couldn't be more different in terms of personality.
I do not know what Geno Smith will become but other than sliding into the second round, the parallels end there for me.
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Originally Posted by keginkc
The rest of what you said...... is irrelevant because the point I was making is that a player's value will ultimately stem from what he does on the field, not because of what you, me or anybody else thinks about him before, during or the summer after the draft.
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I think it's relevant.
These guys have been more scrutinized than suspected terrorist are by the NSA. They undergo massive physical and psychological examinations. They are poked and prodded to see how they react.
I didn't see E.J. Manual at Florida State but I saw him in the Senior Bowl. I watched interviews with him pre and post draft. I have no idea how he'll perform in the NFL but what I saw and heard was a smart, confident young man and leader. He'd been tested in college and by his mother's illness. He made me a believer in his ability to lead.
Geno Smith was nearly the exact opposite. Mopey, dopey and lacking confidence and more importantly, charisma. His actions at the draft and post draft have proven that the red flags raised prior to the draft weren't far off the mark.
This isn't to say that he won't become a good starting NFL QB, but with all of his question marks, he wasn't deemed worthy of a first round draft choice, let alone 1.1.
And if he can't overcome the adversity in New York, he probably wouldn't survive anywhere. Being starting NFL QB is a difficult task in any city.
Just ask Brees, Rivers, Romo, Rothlisbeteger and even Flacco.
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Originally Posted by keginkc
And the point remains, that regardless of why he fell, Drew Brees fell. So the NFL was wrong.
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I'd have to go back to the 2001 draft but IIRC, there were very few teams in need of a starting QB. The most egregious mistake was of course made by the Chiefs. But talent evaluators definitely missed.
But those misses are becoming rarer with each year.
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Originally Posted by keginkc
(Personally, I think Geno Smith will end up doing nothing because he went to what I believe was the worst possible place for him to go. But in the end, only time will tell...)
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If you can make it in New York City, you can make it anywhere. But I agree that it's probably a worst-case scenario for him, which IMO, only further enhances the fact that he's not a bonafide Franchise QB that should have been selected #1 overall.
His best landing spot would have been cities like Tampa, Jacksonville and Phoenix, cities without a passionate, die hard fan base.
IMO, he would have been a disaster in KC, especially with the Jay-Z deal. The guy would have been talk show fodder for months before he even stepped on the field and sitting him would have only made matters worse.