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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
You give him a mulligan on Holland?!?!
FFS, why? That's the dumbest, most inexplicable move of the bunch. Anyone who actually thought that guy wasn't going to suck was just being an idiot. And the fact that they gave him $14 million is just laughably inept.
That was an aaaaaaaaawful deal from the second it was signed. Just awful.
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We had no proven reliever. Most people in baseball thought it was a good deal at the time because it was a one year deal. Low risk. Who cares about losing $15 million total? How does that effect us long term? I'm also going off the articles and podcasts saying it was Matheny wanting Holland. Supposedly, Matheny went to Dewitt and asked for Holland.
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
He'll operate in the margins and trade organizational depth pieces away, but he won't take a risk that may hurt the squad. The last time he did it was Heyward and he's just gunshy now, IMO. I think he needs to look for a similar deal and target an upgrade at 3b or SS.
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I agree totally with this.
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
For instance - the Reds have NO pitching. None. And their best prospect is Nick Senzel who is one of the best pure hitters in the minors and a natural 3b by trade. Now, you're not getting Senzel from them, but you MIGHT be able to get Eugenio Suarez.
Now they signed him to a big extension (for way below market) so he'd cost you a small fortune, but maybe you need to make that move anyway for a young All-Star 3b with a ton of team control. Weaver and Wacha gets you in the door but doesn't get it done. I wouldn't part with Flaherty in that deal and they don't need OFers. Barnhart's only a couple years older than Kelly, signed long-term and probably represents Kelly's upside anyway.
You willing to give up Reyes+ for him? You might have to be; we've done alright without him. Hudson, Weaver and Wacha? Might hurt pretty badly but it might be the best way to utilize these resources.
I don't think Moe is willing to pull that trigger.
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Hoping FA but I know thats a real long longshot. No way we are getting a MOTOB without giving up Reyes or Flaherty as just one piece. Then your talking at least 3 more project-able MLB players. Give something to get something. Total risky move which I agree is not Mo's style.
But, it has to be done. We need a legitimate #3 hitter.