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Originally Posted by Megatron96
Here's the thing: it's possible for an average/game manager type QB to win it all. It's happened more times than I'd rather count. And an average QB can not only get to the SB, but win against a 'better' QB in the Super Bowl. See "Foles vs. Brady," or "Eli vs. Brady"(x2), or "Brady vs. Warner," or "Doug Williams vs. Elway," or Phil Simms vs. John Elway," just off the top of my head.
But in all those cases the game manager QB has to have great weapons and a great D to have a chance. Or he has to have an unspeakable run or great play and luck, a la Nick Foles. But even Foles had some pretty good weapons and as very good defense.
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Disagree on Foles. Foles is a gun-slinger who is always a coin-flip from away from 3 INT's. He chucks it deep and keeps his eyes constantly downfield. There was a considerable push from Chiefsplanet and the KC media that Foles should replace Alex in 2016 (Lezak and Alex's wife even got into it about that over twitter). Tiger said I was the "forum's biggest dumb***" for saying Foles could win a SB over Alex.
The thing with Foles is that when he
does catch fire, he can compete with anyone. Game managers don't have a ceiling like that. They have to solely rely on their defense and running game to give them a lead to manage through the game. See the Broncos in 97 and 15, or the Ravens in 00' or the Bucs in 02'. Speaking of the Bucs, it was probably a bad thing for Gruden to win it all with Brad Johnson. Gruden does
see potential in QB's, his praise of Mahomes is evidence enough of that, but seems to think they're not necessary after winning his lone SB with Tony Dungy's team.