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Old 09-17-2012, 02:43 PM   Topic Starter
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Hey all. I have a couple questions, but first I also have a couple of... clarifications?...that explain why I am asking the questions.

1. The general consensus in Buffalo is that the Jets game was an aberration. We were never going to be as bad as that game. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the clowns at ESPN to cop to this, because they know it. Think of it this way: at least in KC you don't have to deal with media that are blatant fans of the Jets and Pats, yet massively insecure about the Bills = boogie men of their childhood, running around pretending they are objective. Oh yeah...we have Berman.... But at least you are going to get a fair shake from ESPN...because Chris Mortenson wasn't best buddies with the GM(Tom Donahoe) you, rightfully, fired.

2. As you now know...judging us based on the Jets game is reeruned. To be fair, I have no better standard to judge the Bills by...certainly not the Chiefs game(great googly moogly indeed) However, the Jets game was a comedy of our errors. But, unless you paid attention to our online radio/message boards, you'd have no way of knowing this. The Jets themselves had little to do with winning that game...and this will become obvious to you in a few weeks.

3. Well you might have known: ask David Decastro(Steelers, our 3rd preseason game) what he thinks about the Bills D line. Ask Big Ben. Wait...don't. According to Ben, it was our turf that blew Decastro back 5 yards into him, not Dareus...and not their RT, who was being blown back by Williams, falling on Decastro's knee = IR.

Given that, and what I've read here over the last week...

1. Do you buy into this "Pats* way" thing?

2. Do you think that, when they won SBs, Belechick was living off of Parcells drafts and getting lucky with Brady? (or do you believe that drafting a HOF Qb in the 6th round was intentional, and just another example of the "genius of the way"?)

3. The reason I ask 1-2, is because Belechik hasn't had a good draft...since Pioli left. (We'll see about this year...but so far? Losing to the Cards, with Kolb as QB?) That's right, check out the last 5 Belechick drafts. Most of them have been D oriented...and they have all been high round bustfests. (Btw, how's that Spiller pick at #5 looking now? But...but...but...we didn't draft the way the Pats do, and took a RB high, so it must be bad, right ESPN? ) Therefore, do you think that the "Pats* way" = The Emporer's New Clothes, or, it is just that the "Pats* way" has been poorly executed in the last few years?

The thing that boggles us...is that from our perspective...Pioli was/is the difference, and he's the reason the Pats* were good. But, you spend 5 minutes on this site, and you see a very different story. I had no idea that Pioli was a big fan of the NSA, and that Whaley thought his phone was tapped. WTF is all this? I don't even know what to think about it. It's obvious why a guy like Chan Gailey wouldn't fit into this organization. He's too nice, sure, but more importantly, he's far too straightforward.

Not only that...but you have had Weiss, and have Crennel...the other parts of the "Pats* way" and it hasn't done much.

Perhaps the sum of the parts is the only "way", and that by themselves they are awful?

Anyway, if any of you can shed some light on this, I would appreciate it.
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Old 09-17-2012, 02:45 PM   #2
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Hey all. I have a couple questions, but first I also have a couple of... clarifications?...that explain why I am asking the questions.

1. The general consensus in Buffalo is that the Jets game was an aberration. We were never going to be as bad as that game. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the clowns at ESPN to cop to this, because they know it. Think of it this way: at least in KC you don't have to deal with media that are blatant fans of the Jets and Pats, yet massively insecure about the Bills = boogie men of their childhood, running around pretending they are objective. Oh yeah...we have Berman.... But at least you are going to get a fair shake from ESPN...because Chris Mortenson wasn't best buddies with the GM(Tom Donahoe) you, rightfully, fired.

2. As you now know...judging us based on the Jets game is reeruned. To be fair, I have no better standard to judge the Bills by...certainly not the Chiefs game(great googly moogly indeed) However, the Jets game was a comedy of our errors. But, unless you paid attention to our online radio/message boards, you'd have no way of knowing this. The Jets themselves had little to do with winning that game...and this will become obvious to you in a few weeks.

3. Well you might have known: ask David Decastro(Steelers, our 3rd preseason game) what he thinks about the Bills D line. Ask Big Ben. Wait...don't. According to Ben, it was our turf that blew Decastro back 5 yards into him, not Dareus...and not their RT, who was being blown back by Williams, falling on Decastro's knee = IR.

Given that, and what I've read here over the last week...

1. Do you buy into this "Pats* way" thing?

2. Do you think that, when they won SBs, Belechick was living off of Parcells drafts and getting lucky with Brady? (or do you believe that drafting a HOF Qb in the 6th round was intentional, and just another example of the "genius of the way"?)

3. The reason I ask 1-2, is because Belechik hasn't had a good draft...since Pioli left. (We'll see about this year...but so far? Losing to the Cards, with Kolb as QB?) That's right, check out the last 5 Belechick drafts. Most of them have been D oriented...and they have all been high round bustfests. (Btw, how's that Spiller pick at #5 looking now? But...but...but...we didn't draft the way the Pats do, and took a RB high, so it must be bad, right ESPN? ) Therefore, do you think that the "Pats* way" = The Emporer's New Clothes, or, it is just that the "Pats* way" has been poorly executed in the last few years?

The thing that boggles us...is that from our perspective...Pioli was/is the difference, and he's the reason the Pats* were good. But, you spend 5 minutes on this site, and you see a very different story. I had no idea that Pioli was a big fan of the NSA, and that Whaley thought his phone was tapped. WTF is all this? I don't even know what to think about it. It's obvious why a guy like Chan Gailey wouldn't fit into this organization. He's too nice, sure, but more importantly, he's far too straightforward.

Not only that...but you have had Weiss, and have Crennel...the other parts of the "Pats* way" and it hasn't done much.

Perhaps the sum of the parts is the only "way", and that by themselves they are awful?

Anyway, if any of you can shed some light on this, I would appreciate it.
The Patriot Way is a farce. Always has been. The Patriot Way is Tom Brady.
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Old 09-17-2012, 02:59 PM   #11
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The Patriot Way is a farce. Always has been. The Patriot Way is Tom Brady.
That's as stupid as slavishly saying 'patriots way only'

Brady didn't shut down the greatest show on turf

Brady didn't turn a WR into an all-pro DB on the fly

Brady didn't coach up one of the game's most clutch kickers in history.




Brady is a very nice cog in the patriots scheme, but the patriots have in a number of different ways done crucial things that others have proven unable to to gain the edge they've enjoyed.
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That's as stupid as slavishly saying 'patriots way only'

Brady didn't shut down the greatest show on turf

Brady didn't turn a WR into an all-pro DB on the fly

Brady didn't coach up one of the game's most clutch kickers in history.

Brady is a very nice cog in the patriots scheme, but the patriots have in a number of different ways done crucial things that others have proven unable to to gain the edge they've enjoyed.
Tampa Bay shut down the greatest show on turf before. Troy Brown was not an all-pro DB. Vinetari was a nice piece but they went to Super Bowls after he was gone. Tom Brady is #1 reason the Patriot Way works. His attitude and cockiness with his play is why it works. Bellichick is #2.
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:11 PM   #13
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That's as stupid as slavishly saying 'patriots way only'

Brady didn't shut down the greatest show on turf

Brady didn't turn a WR into an all-pro DB on the fly

Brady didn't coach up one of the game's most clutch kickers in history.




Brady is a very nice cog in the patriots scheme, but the patriots have in a number of different ways done crucial things that others have proven unable to to gain the edge they've enjoyed.
Without Brady, there are no SB wins. That is why Tom Brady IS the Patriot Way.
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That's as stupid as slavishly saying 'patriots way only'

Brady didn't shut down the greatest show on turf

Brady didn't turn a WR into an all-pro DB on the fly

Brady didn't coach up one of the game's most clutch kickers in history.




Brady is a very nice cog in the patriots scheme, but the patriots have in a number of different ways done crucial things that others have proven unable to to gain the edge they've enjoyed.
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The Patriot Way is a farce. Always has been. The Patriot Way is Tom Brady.
This.

And why the **** are you watching ESPN? Stop watching ESPN. Life will be better.
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