***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Think about it, the model is shrinking by 25% about every 5 days and they put a statement like that out. Makes ZERO sense.

I know there is a fear or a flare up come next flu season and we should be concerned about it but we have to take into account several other variables...identified treatments, herd immunity, etc.

And what that also says is they do expect the warmer weather to at least temper things. If not then why worry so much about when things get colder again?

To me this is just people reading into shit that have no ****ing clue about what they are saying.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

If you look at data from Italy, herd immunity will hit sooner than the vaccine.

Ehhh we don’t really know that yet. With the RO supposedly at 5 or 6, you’ll need to get into the 80% population being infected or recovered to get there

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I have had nurses call and say they have patient impacting issues and when it's something that is going to take time to figure out they go on and work around it.

I have had doctors absolutely lose their shit because the email on their personal device is slow or not working right.

I was PACS system admin assistant mostly for my department for few years most of them are understanding but all you need is one idiot to ruin your day.

[petegz28]

Clock has reset so yesterday was basically the same as the day before give or take. Few more deaths, few less new cases.

[O.city]

I don’t know why you’d even say anything about football season if I’m that position at this point. What’s wrong with saying “we’re evaluating things on a day to day basis”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I haven’t seen the report about home deaths being counted do you have a link?
And they do not just put covid on death certificate for no reason , we debunked that yesterday in here.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...ny-as-covid-19

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nycs-c...deaths-at-home

https://gothamist.com/news/death-cou...confirmed-ones

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I was PACS system admin assistant mostly for my department for few years most of them are understanding but all you need is one idiot to ruin your day.

PACS people can be a pain in the ass, I agree.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

It makes ZERO sense and I am certain not a poster here could make sense of it.

While it is early and not something I would have said I think everyone expects a second wave in the fall This isn’t going to magically disappear especially if we open international travel back up

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Clock has reset so yesterday was basically the same as the day before give or take. Few more deaths, few less new cases.

Levelling off hopefully and nice big drop next week would be nice.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

Ehhh we don’t really know that yet. With the RO supposedly at 5 or 6, you’ll need to get into the 80% population being infected or recovered to get there

So because Italy is smaller they get there faster?

That sounds like DJ's theory on all of this is the most accurate.

[JakeLV]

Got to assist a teaching hospital in NY over the past few days to help their radiology residents continue to learn while the overall radiology volume is down.

Not much, and I was just the guy fixing what was broken in the cobbled together workflow, but does feel good to help them with that project so they can move on to other things.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...ny-as-covid-19

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nycs-c...deaths-at-home

https://gothamist.com/news/death-cou...confirmed-ones

Thanks.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DaFace

In most cases, it's because teachers can reuse much of their lesson plans year after year. A teacher's first year teaching a class is always the hardest.

The sudden push to online suddenly turned them all into first year teachers and added the complexity of relying on parents to help and learning new technologies in a very short period of time.

my wife was a technology leader back in the Lees Summit district but I’ve had to help her get up to speed. Mostly districts tech fault. K-12 School districts just don’t “get” tech. Her co-workers are struggling to learn the 3 different software packages they are using in elearning in this district.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

So because Italy is smaller they get there faster?

That sounds like DJ's theory on all of this is the most accurate.

Just can’t know yet. You’d have to do mass testing first to find out

There’s scant evidence out there that those who are able to get over this with just an innate response don’t develop antibody titers high enough to be immune.

We are way off from saying we’ve reached herd immunity. We don’t have near the data we need yet

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by JakeLV

Got to assist a teaching hospital in NY over the past few days to help their radiology residents continue to learn while the overall radiology volume is down.

Not much, and I was just the guy fixing what was broken in the cobbled together workflow, but does feel good to help them with that project so they can move on to other things.

With outpatient visits at a minimum they must be fighting for work .