***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

It's also naive to simply think "most will just bounce back"...

You are just plain oversimplifying the situation.

He's seemingly doing with the economic situation what some here did the with the viral situation.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

He's seemingly doing with the economic situation what some here did the with the viral situation.

Fair enough point

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, that ain't ****ing happening here anyway. Barring numbers spiking you would have an all out revolt on your hands.

I imagine May 3rd most of Missouri is done with SIP with some restrictions staying in place as far as restaurants capacities etc..

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I imagine May 3rd most of Missouri is done with SIP with some restrictions staying in place as far as restaurants capacities etc..

KC has May 15th which will last about 2 minutes if the surrounding areas do May 3rd.

[O.city]

I just don't see how you can keep it going that long. People get exhausted with it and the economic situation could get extremely dire for some.

Some times you've gotta make the best of bad decisions.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by petegz28

KC has May 15th which will last about 2 minutes if the surrounding areas do May 3rd.

Each time I've gone out to get a carry out order or grab some beer, I've seen ever increasing amounts of people milling about in accordance with the nice weather.

[petegz28]

JoCo said they will announce next week what they intend to do. That's putting businesses in a bad spot. I understand the reluctance to commit one way or the other but this os cutting it close.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Each time I've gone out to get a carry out order or grab some beer, I've seen ever increasing amounts of people milling about in accordance with the nice weather.

If everywhere BUT KC goes May 3rd then all the businesses in KC are going to absolutely go ape shit when everyone is going to OP, Belton, Lee's Summit, etc. because the KC Mayor doesn't want to open up and all those businesses are watching local people go elsewhere.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

I just don't see how you can keep it going that long. People get exhausted with it and the economic situation could get extremely dire for some.

Some times you've gotta make the best of bad decisions.

The problem is the goal posts are seeming to move. First it was SIP to flatten the curve to prevent the hospitals from being overrun. Then as we see most of the country is not getting their hospitals overrun it is moving towards, well, we are afraid of a 2nd wave which is tantamount to SIP until the virus is gone.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The problem is the goal posts are seeming to move. First it was SIP to flatten the curve to prevent the hospitals from being overrun. Then as we see most of the country is not getting their hospitals overrun it is moving towards, well, we are afraid of a 2nd wave which is tantamount to SIP until the virus is gone.

So because it would theoretically be working, it's time to what?

If we were doing this and the hospitals were being overrun, would that make everyone feel better doing this? I don't understand that thinking.

The problem I see is that it just wasn't communicated well or people just didn't take the time to realize what "flatten the curve" meant. You're stretching out infections over a longer period of time which would allow everyone to get treated.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

So because it would theoretically be working, it's time to what?

If we were doing this and the hospitals were being overrun, would that make everyone feel better doing this? I don't understand that thinking.

The problem I see is that it just wasn't communicated well or people just didn't take the time to realize what "flatten the curve" meant. You're stretching out infections over a longer period of time which would allow everyone to get treated.

Sadly I think it would.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

It's also naive to simply think "most will just bounce back"...

You are just plain oversimplifying the situation.

**** you... Tell me I'm naive with the situation like you are some type of restaurant economic expert.

You are entitled to your opinion but almost every article I have read on the subject has said that many restaurants will be able to bounce back from this it's just going to take time...

https://bigseventravel.com/2020/04/r...t-coronavirus/

https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/why-ny...m-coronavirus/

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/75121251.cms

Originally Posted by O.city

He's seemingly doing with the economic situation what some here did the with the viral situation.

What did I do with the viral situation exactly? Post articles online and urge people to follow social distancing guidelines? Guilty as charged!

[Discuss Thrower]

Spain and Italy among the highest rates of elevators per people.

NYC elevator usage statistics.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

**** you... Tell me I'm naive with the situation like you are some type of restaurant economic expert.

You are entitled to your opinion but almost every article I have read on the subject has said that many restaurants will be able to bounce back from this it's just going to take time...

https://bigseventravel.com/2020/04/r...t-coronavirus/

https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/why-ny...m-coronavirus/

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/75121251.cms



What did I do with the viral situation exactly? Post articles online and urge people to follow social distancing guidelines? Guilty as charged!

Dude did you not take your meds today or what?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The problem is the goal posts are seeming to move. First it was SIP to flatten the curve to prevent the hospitals from being overrun. Then as we see most of the country is not getting their hospitals overrun it is moving towards, well, we are afraid of a 2nd wave which is tantamount to SIP until the virus is gone.

Sure, it's going to evolve, practically day to day at this point. There are still unknowns and concerns and many people tasked with doing the 'right' thing in a completely unprecedented time.

Yeah, there's going to be uncertainty.

Originally Posted by petegz28

Sadly I think it would.

I agree, unfortunately.... even before the major restrictions took place, my thought was that we'd never know if we overreacted, only if we didn't do enough.

And right on cue, people aren't seeing the exponential growth in their area and they're frustrated and wondering why things haven't open back up as of 2 weeks ago.