***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by sedated

What sort of delusional world do you live (dumb question, I know) in where everyone was scared because of the f-ing projections? People were scared because of actual numbers that came from countries that got hit before the US. I don't recall a single MENTION of projections in a single conversation I was a part of. They had nothing to do with anything.

And yet that has become the battle cry of a certain set of people - if the projections are wrong (in any way), then its proof the government is lying to control the people.

Do you wear a tin foil hat and scream at the weather guy after they predict a storm and it doesn't happen?

Uhhh..this report right here.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/u...house.amp.html

[jdubya]

https://www.cato.org/blog/how-one-mo...eaths-covid-19

Duoh!

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Uhhh..this report right here.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/u...house.amp.html

What? This is from your link on March 16, 2020:


Sweeping new federal recommendations announced on Monday for Americans to sharply limit their activities appeared to draw on a dire scientific report warning that, without action by the government and individuals to slow the spread of coronavirus and suppress new cases, 2.2 million people in the United States could die.

To curb the epidemic, there would need to be drastic restrictions on work, school and social gatherings for periods of time until a vaccine was available, which could take 18 months, according to the report, compiled by British researchers. They cautioned that such steps carried enormous costs that could also affect people’s health, but concluded they were “the only viable strategy at the current time.”

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Isn't that pretty much what happened to curb the infection and death rate?

Are you claiming that if our country didn't put these rules in place that the same exact number of people would have died and those actions were fruitless?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What? This is from your link on March 16, 2020:


Sweeping new federal recommendations announced on Monday for Americans to sharply limit their activities appeared to draw on a dire scientific report warning that, without action by the government and individuals to slow the spread of coronavirus and suppress new cases, 2.2 million people in the United States could die.

To curb the epidemic, there would need to be drastic restrictions on work, school and social gatherings for periods of time until a vaccine was available, which could take 18 months, according to the report, compiled by British researchers. They cautioned that such steps carried enormous costs that could also affect people’s health, but concluded they were “the only viable strategy at the current time.”

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Isn't that pretty much what happened to curb the infection and death rate?

Are you claiming that if our country didn't put these rules in place that the same exact number of people would have died and those actions were fruitless?

He wanted to know what scary projection influenced everyone. That's why it was referenced in back to back post Read his first paragraph.

[POND_OF_RED]

Saw a full QT roller grill today so that’s a good sign that things are starting to get back to normal around KC.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

He wanted to know what scary projection influenced everyone. That's why it was referenced in back to back post Read his first paragraph.

The 2mil projected did put the panic in everyone initially. And we can't say the mitigation steps we took didn't have any effect. However, we also can't say for sure how effective they were simply because we couldn't run in parallels realities, right?

So naturally the SIP orders and what not get the benefit of the doubt. But to what extent we really have no way of knowing.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by petegz28

So naturally the SIP orders and what not get the benefit of the doubt. But to what extent we really have no way of knowing.

Of course we know that the mitigation and social distancing helped to suppress the spread. Otherwise, there would be hundreds of thousands, if not millions more cases across the country. I can't believe that's in question.

That said, are there still questions about the effectiveness of masks, gloves and the near sterilization of items brought into the home? Yes, especially given that the WHO and CDC have found that it's highly unlikely that someone can acquire the virus from a contaminated surface.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Of course we know that the mitigation and social distancing helped to suppress the spread. Otherwise, there would be hundreds of thousands, if not millions more cases across the country. I can't believe that's in question.

That said, are there still questions about the effectiveness of masks, gloves and the near sterilization of items brought into the home? Yes, especially given that the WHO and CDC have found that it's highly unlikely that someone can acquire the virus from a contaminated surface.

Dane, I didn't say they didn't have an effect. I said to what extent we have no way of knowing.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Dane, I didn't say they didn't have an effect. I said to what extent we have no way of knowing.

It was a lose lose situation for the government, they just decided the would rather listen to you complain about doing it for nothing rather than you complain about how we didn’t do enough.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

It was a lose lose situation for the government, they just decided to listen to you complain about doing it for nothing rather than complain that we didn’t do enough.

Gee, you think?

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by srvy

Every post nearly every day since March 29, 2020, in Non-Political Covid 19 thread except a brief flirtation with My Dreams thread. Obsess much?

So the last 7-8 weeks I’ve primarily posted about Covid. Yep that’s strange with all the other sports and much larger things going on and such. You going down with that Pete ship eh? I wish you the best.

[petegz28]

Daily deaths came in about 300 below yesterday

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

Saw a full QT roller grill today so that’s a good sign that things are starting to get back to normal around KC.

If the dogs are rolling, then the economy is rolling.

[petegz28]

103-year-old cracks open Bud Light to celebrate coronavirus recovery

https://www.foxnews.com/health/103-y...1nTgg88GWGIrdY

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by petegz28

103-year-old cracks open Bud Light to celebrate coronavirus recovery

https://www.foxnews.com/health/103-y...1nTgg88GWGIrdY

Always love stories like this.