Chiefs Chiefs hire Steve Spagnuolo as new defensive coordinator - Page 239

TLO · 01-24-2019, 04:33 PM

The #Chiefs are hiring Steve Spagnuolo as their new defensive coordinator, sources say. The former #Giants DC and interim HC/#Rams HC began his NFL coaching career as an #Eagles assistant under Andy Reid. Now rejoins Big Red in KC.
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) January 24, 2019

Abba-Dabba · 10-19-2022, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They've been rebuilding the defense for like 3 years via the draft and it's still shit.

What is the deal?

Same DC.

Chris Meck · 10-19-2022, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They've been rebuilding the defense for like 3 years via the draft and it's still shit.

What is the deal?

We're playing the toughest schedule in the NFL with a 7th round rookie, a 4th round rookie, a rookie at DE, another rookie at 3rd LB, while a 2nd round rookie is your 3rd safety, and your first round rookie CB is out? All while having most of your veteran leadership being new to the team and scheme?

Bolton and Jones are your only stabilizing factors?

I mean, I'm just spitballing.

RunKC · 10-19-2022, 07:55 AM

The Chiefs have allowed 30 points 1 time this year and it was bc the Bucs were way behind and we were playing prevent.

This time last year we allowed 29, 36, 30, 30 and 38 points in 5 of our first 6 games and the defense looked terrible.

They look much better this year even with the youth injection

O.city · 10-19-2022, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

We're playing the toughest schedule in the NFL with a 7th round rookie, a 4th round rookie, a rookie at DE, another rookie at 3rd LB, while a 2nd round rookie is your 3rd safety, and your first round rookie CB is out? All while having most of your veteran leadership being new to the team and scheme?

Bolton and Jones are your only stabilizing factors?

I mean, I'm just spitballing.

Ok, but you also are in a salary cap league where you aren't gonna be able to keep a unit together for that long.

It doesn't seem to take other units as long to not be this bad, but the schedule has been pretty brutal for sure.

I think they'll get better, but damn.

Abba-Dabba · 10-19-2022, 07:59 AM

I'd sure love to give Spags a good ol' fashioned performance review like any of us have had to go through. He would definitely be going into a performance improvement plan with the poor results of his work. He would be given a month to drastically turn it around or demoted to hydration specialist.

Chris Meck · 10-19-2022, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Ok, but you also are in a salary cap league where you aren't gonna be able to keep a unit together for that long.

It doesn't seem to take other units as long to not be this bad, but the schedule has been pretty brutal for sure.

I think they'll get better, but damn.

Well, pass rush is a problem. So Spags blitzes a lot in key moments.

Live by the blitz, die by the blitz.

It's been a mixed bag, but they've been pretty good in key moments I'd say.

Elite QB's and WR's are going to get theirs. We've seen it 3 weeks in a row.

Personally, I'm not worried (other than the pass rush), and think they've played better than I expected overall.

By the end of the season they'll be a lot better. I bet they finish a top 15 or so defense.

O.city · 10-19-2022, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Well, pass rush is a problem. So Spags blitzes a lot in key moments.

Live by the blitz, die by the blitz.

It's been a mixed bag, but they've been pretty good in key moments I'd say.

Elite QB's and WR's are going to get theirs. We've seen it 3 weeks in a row.

Personally, I'm not worried (other than the pass rush), and think they've played better than I expected overall.

By the end of the season they'll be a lot better. I bet they finish a top 15 or so defense.

Blitzing this much...I just don't see it.

You can't be this bad with 4 up front and be very good IMO

Abba-Dabba · 10-19-2022, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

We're playing the toughest schedule in the NFL with a 7th round rookie, a 4th round rookie, a rookie at DE, another rookie at 3rd LB, while a 2nd round rookie is your 3rd safety, and your first round rookie CB is out? All while having most of your veteran leadership being new to the team and scheme?

Bolton and Jones are your only stabilizing factors?

I mean, I'm just spitballing.

or giving an endless excuse to poor results year in, year out.

I have no problem with personnel. I have a problem with scheme and the person running that scheme and the lack of true accountability towards him. Same shitty results filled with excuses of they will be better next month. Then the next month comes and there have been no real tangible improvements to move out of the shitty category and excuse is still same. They will be better next month. Then the year ends and the excuse is essentially the same. Had a rookie here, injury there, but we are almost there. We will be better next year. Never mind the fact that every team has to start a rookie or 3 that they really don't want to.

The only problem with the defense is the lack of accountability towards the guy running it.

RunKC · 10-19-2022, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

When you can't get pressure with 4, you can't or won't have a good defense in today's NFL.

It's just the reality of things.

The 2018 Chiefs proved that this is not true. You need to be well rounded to be a good defense, not just the pass rush

Chris Meck · 10-19-2022, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Blitzing this much...I just don't see it.

You can't be this bad with 4 up front and be very good IMO

Regardless, other than magically making Frank Clark relevant I don't see what Spags could do differently.

I think he's doing a great job, all things considered.

Mixing up man and zone, blitzing in key moments, nobody looks lost, they're playing hard.

It would be much easier if you could get home with 4, but we just can't.

This is why IF we're about to make a move, I'd bet it's for a pass rusher.

O.city · 10-19-2022, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The 2018 Chiefs proved that this is not true. You need to be well rounded to be a good defense, not just the pass rush

The 2018 Chiefs proved that you can't have a good defense without a good front 4....how?

I didn't say that's the only way to have a good defense. But you can't have a "good" defense in today's league without that.

BleedingRed · 10-19-2022, 08:12 AM

Spags real issue IMHO is his inability to feel a game within a drive. His adjustments come WAY to late.

Some coaches can pick up on what you are trying to do, and adjust their play calls to counter. Spags seems to wait till HALF to adjust. He has not shown any ability to adjust in series, or even in HALF.

Leaving a rookie singled up on peoples #1's is also out of this world reeruned.

O.city · 10-19-2022, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Regardless, other than magically making Frank Clark relevant I don't see what Spags could do differently.

I think he's doing a great job, all things considered.

Mixing up man and zone, blitzing in key moments, nobody looks lost, they're playing hard.

It would be much easier if you could get home with 4, but we just can't.

This is why IF we're about to make a move, I'd bet it's for a pass rusher.

I think so.

Hell, maybe 2 more rushers. Dunlap doesn't do shit and the rest is just meh.

Marcellus · 10-19-2022, 08:28 AM

You guys are really going to fall for this exact same shit again?

DJ's left nut · 10-19-2022, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They've been rebuilding the defense for like 3 years via the draft and it's still shit.

What is the deal?

The first attempt wasn't a rebuild - it was a re-set. It was older veterans who could help them win now. And frankly, it didn't really work - Hitchens wasn't good and Frank Clark ****ing Sucks.

We're in year 2 of a defensive rebuild. The problem is that an offensive rebuild isn't far into the future. But I think we still have one more year where we can attack the trenches offensively and defensively.

But I'm not the guy to really have this conversation with as I'd have drafted at least 3 DL last year; I thought we needed at least 2 DEs and a DT. But they went a different direction...

It is what it is. Finite resources and what not...

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