Kudos to Veach and the OL

[Sassy Squatch]

From @NextGenStats: Patrick Mahomes has faced the lowest pressure rate of his career this season (25.4%).

— Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) September 27, 2023

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Chief Ten Beers

Virus is the black zilla, once he takes a stance theres no going back

Seen a lot of instances in which Staylor changes his mind, have ya? Lol.

[ThaVirus]

You're right, though. We've completely ruined this thread by going back and forth saying the same shit over and over again for the last couple hundred posts. No one wants to read this shit.

I did ask NWO and Meck questions so I'll just respond to them and try to keep it brief.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Uh, yeah, of course. Didn't you just agree with me on that earlier when you said Belichick is a great defensive mind but only serviceable on the offensive side? BelichickHC may be able to maximize many defender's potential, but I don't think he's able to do so as consistently on the offensive side, and certainly not with QBs like Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe at the helm.

Weird that you'd hyper focus on that little bit of it, though. There are positional coaches and coordinators with their hand in the pot as well, not to mention, again, the uber important QB position. I just don't think many offensive players are going to look great playing in NE with Mac Jones.

Oh so coaching is why Tyquan Thornton, N'Keal Harry, Cole Strange, Isaiah Wynn, Mac Jones, etc. were busts?

It's a talent issue not coaching. Rhamondre Stevenson, probably there single good/recent offensive draft pick, is talented and a good football player, while those guys are not. You're trying to make this seem way more complicated than it is.

We aren't talking about some garbage organization with a history of destroying the careers of good football players. Quite the opposite.

He had McDaniels for most of those awful drafts I've been talking about, so it's not like his coaching was terrible on the side of the ball outside of last season.

If it were just a coaching isssue, you would've seen a lot of those offensive guys go elsewhere and looks better. That's what typically happens when the coaching is the problem.

This is nothing more than an excuse and a ****ing cop out, because you refuse to call a spade a spade. You wouldn't be doing this for any other GM with an awful draft history of almost a decade now.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

More like "none of the guys he drafted while he was in New England would have been drafted here" actually.

And I don't think a bust will suddenly become a hit here, but a below average starter might become serviceable or a average starter might become a plus starter.

Belichick drafts HIS guys. He has a very specific type, and he doesn't stray away from that type. Cole Strange would've been sitting in his lap in KC, just like every other one of HIS guys that he's reached for over the years.

He passed on McDuffie (and Karlaftis actually) to trade back with us and take Cole ****ing Strange. If he were actually good at this, and knew how good McDuffie was going to be, that doesn't happen.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Oh so coaching is why Tyquan Thornton, N'Keal Harry, Cole Strange, Isaiah Wynn, Mac Jones, etc. were busts?

It's a talent issue not coaching. Rhamondre Stevenson, probably there single good/recent offensive draft pick, is talented and a good football player, while those guys are not. You're trying to make this seem way more complicated than it is.

We aren't talking about some garbage organization with a history of destroying the careers of good football players. Quite the opposite.

He had McDaniels for most of those awful drafts I've been talking about, so it's not like his coaching was terrible on the side of the ball outside of last season.

If it were just a coaching isssue, you would've seen a lot of those offensive guys go elsewhere and looks better. That's what typically happens when the coaching is the problem.

This is nothing more than an excuse and a ****ing cop out, because you refuse to call a spade a spade. You wouldn't be doing this for any other GM with an awful draft history of almost a decade now.






Belichick drafts HIS guys. He has a very specific type, and he doesn't stray away from that type. Cole Strange would've been sitting in his lap in KC, just like every other one of HIS guys that he's reached for over the years.

He passed on McDuffie (and Karlaftis actually) to trade back with us and take Cole ****ing Strange. If he were actually good at this, and knew how good McDuffie was going to be, that doesn't happen.

I'm not reading any of this

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Your argument is weird anyway.

You're saying that bringing all of BelichickGM's picks here would change our team enough to prevent us from forming a dynasty while claiming that my argument that surrounding players with completely different coaching and personnel might just change their individual performance is absurd.

Which is just a small example argument I've made anyway. I'm not hyper focused on bringing all of BelichickGM's picks here. You really think it would turn out exactly the same way lol

No my argument is very ****ing simple.

If you take away arguably the best drafting GM of the last 5 years, and replace him with arguably the worst drafting GM of the last 7-8, there's no chance that the Chiefs don't skip a beat and are sitting here with 2 rings and a great ****ing roster.

Again, the Chiefs got their 2nd SB because Veach had the balls to trade Tyreek, and then he turned around and had what looks like the best draft in franchise history. That rookie class was absolutely instrumental in our success last year.

What reason do I have to believe that Belichick wouldn't have completely ****ed last year's draft up?

He literally passed on our best player from that class, when he also needed a CB.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I'm not reading any of this

Tapout acknowledged.

Have a good weekend you dumb mother****er.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Have a good weekend you dumb mother****er.

Thanks, bud. You too.

[O.city]

The virus crushed this thread

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by O.city

The virus crushed this thread

I’ll let you tell it, brother!

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I'd say your argument is absurd.

Do you think that if Mahomes was drafted by the Bears he'd be torching the record books and winning 2 MVPs, 2 Super Bowls and 2 Super Bowl MVPs?

You may still think he'd have been a good or even great player, but he almost assuredly would not be doing as well or better than he has as a Chief. That is exactly my point here. Where you're drafted, who you're coached by, who you play with, CHANGES EVERYTHING. There are far too many variables.



Case in point: ****ING ALL OF THEM!

If you magically swapped Belichick and Veach in the summer of 2017, I'd be surprised if even a handful of these players were still drafted by Belichick here in KC. Everything would change.



Right, I don't think you can ever say anything confidently. We're set up quite well and even I wouldn't say I'm confident that we'll win another Super Bowl within the next 5 years. I am confident that we have a damned good shot at it, though. That's really what this is all about.

There's just too many variables each year. That's why BelichickGM was able to build a dynasty from 2001-2004, not win another Super Bowl for TEN YEARS, then build another dynasty from 2014-2018. In that ten year span, they weren't some garbage organization. They were right there, just couldn't get lucky enough to have the pieces fall in the way that gave them the dynasty.. BUT, with a HoF QB and a HoF HC, you should be close enough every year that things eventually fall your way sometimes.

I think that we'd be able to do just that with BelichickGM again, because he's already done it. For 20 years the dude did it in NE.



Do you think Belichick's always been a shit GM?

Also, Reid was the Eagles GM for like 10 years, dude. He went to four NFCCGs in that timeframe. You have a strange definition of "not great".



How do you figure that the Patriots were able to keep a rolling dynasty for 20 years with an overrated HC and terrible GM? Most of their coaches and execs who go elsewhere ruin the franchise who hires them. Most players they let walk underperform in their new home. Despite losing a HoF QB, they still remain competitive in a strong conference. How?

I mean, if you believe that then it sounds like you think they can attribute the vast majority of their success to Tom Brady? If so, what is so special about Tom Brady that he can achieve two different dynasties while you don't think the combination of Reid and Mahomes couldn't possibly build just one budding dynasty with BelichickGM here in KC?

Because Belichick hasn’t been good without Tom Brady. Tom Brady has been elite without Belichick.

If Brady wasn’t 45 he would run the NFC

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by O.city

The virus crushed this thread

Just for posting that, I'm going to stop flossing. 100%

I've got a Sonicare and mouthwash. Nobody needs to floss.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Because Belichick hasn’t been good without Tom Brady. Tom Brady has been elite without Belichick.

If Brady wasn’t 45 he would run the NFC

So just for funsies, let’s say we go back in time to June 2017.

Dorsey is canned as GM. Instead of promoting Veach, we hire Belichick to be GM. Belichick is ONLY GM. He does no coaching whatsoever.

Note again that this is June 2017 so we’ve already drafted Mahomes, Kelce, Tyreek Hill, Chris Jones, Kareem Hunt, etc.

Do you think it’s possible we could have similar success to what we’ve enjoyed these last several years with BelichickGM instead of Veach?

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Originally Posted by Dante84

Pat has more time to throw than he ever has
Pat has the best defense he's ever had

Now we just need the young receivers to come along and we can get really, really weird.

Our WR's spoiled the dream this year. Next year we go undefeated.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

So just for funsies, let’s say we go back in time to June 2017.

Dorsey is canned as GM. Instead of promoting Veach, we hire Belichick to be GM. Belichick is ONLY GM. He does no coaching whatsoever.

Note again that this is June 2017 so we’ve already drafted Mahomes, Kelce, Tyreek Hill, Chris Jones, Kareem Hunt, etc.

Do you think it’s possible we could have similar success to what we’ve enjoyed these last several years with BelichickGM instead of Veach?

Perhaps. I don’t think Belichick would have been as aggressive as far as fixing the offensive line etc..

Don’t give Andy a top 3 GOAT and he goes to the Super Bowl, multiple conference championship games and multiple divisional wins.

Don’t give Belichick a top 3 GOAT abd he’s struggling to have a winning season

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

So just for funsies, let’s say we go back in time to June 2017.

In the past week I've read the phrases "threw up in my mouth a little" and now "tapout acknowledged" .....are we sure we haven't gone back in time to June 2017?