***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

NY's first report is 594 new deaths

Seems like we have a glimmer of positive news.

The number of deaths over the past few days has been dropping “for the first time," New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said today during a press conference.

The significance of that is “too early to tell” he added.

Cuomo added that ICU admissions are also down, daily intubations are down “slightly” and the hospital discharge rate is “way up” and that’s “great news.”

He said there is a "shift to Long Island" adding "upstate New York is basically flat… as Long Island grows the percentage of cases in NYC has reduced."

The total number of intubations are down across the state, Cuomo said.

As of April 4, there were about 316 people intubated in the hospital, that number is down from 351 reported the day before.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by RedRaider56

But how many are really due to CV-19?

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/c...h6Dpa1NXMMkqEE

Probably no more than those that are not getting counted and should be counted.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Probably no more than those that are not getting counted and should be counted.

Link?

[petegz28]

I don't understand news reporters green screening themselves as if they are reporting from the streets of NYC? It's more than obvious it is a green screen. I even saw one the other day where the reporter had on a rain coat to try and look like they were outside.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Link?

Anyone with common sense knows that there will be people that want to "fudge" those numbers either way. It is just the way it is, unfortunately. Someone will use whatever they can to push an agenda, truth be damned.
But here is a couple of the top doctors talking about what to put on the death certificate.

[O.city]

So none of the models that were put forth have been correct yet. So that’s good in terms of non deaths

But what is the exit strategy here?

[Chiefshrink]

And will these death stats be separated from other serious conditions prior to C19 vs C19 deaths with no prior health conditions ?

Politics will be at play for sure at all times with these stats coming out.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Seems like we have a glimmer of positive news.

Two parts to the good news though we really need to see a trend develop (but for now, let’s take it):

Overall cases are down to 7,256. This is huge if it continues.

The deaths are a lagging indicator but the fact they are down and more people are coming off ventilators than going on could show that the drug therapies are having an effect. Let’s hope so...

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

Breaking: 70% of blood donors in Castiglione d'Adda, the epicentre of the outbreak, tested positive (they had the antibodies) and none had developed any symptoms before! Lombardy is probably approaching herd immunity https://t.co/35B3lRyEri

— Davide Piffer (@DavidePiffer) April 3, 2020

So thats good.

If this is accurate its not just good news its fantastic news.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

So none of the models that were put forth have been correct yet. So that’s good in terms of non deaths

But what is the exit strategy here?

The 2 $Trillion question.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

The 2 $Trillion question.

That's my worry as well. I am afraid we are falling into the paralysis by analysis hole. We are going to be too scared to clear anything because even if the data is saying good things people are going to be worrying about the other shoe to drop, so to speak.

There are going to be people who want to further things for reasons other than health concerns.

There are going to be people who want to rush things for other than health concerns.

There are people who are going to say health concerns are so bad we need to stay shut down.

There are people who are going to say health concerns have improved enough to start getting back to normal.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

If this is accurate its not just good news its fantastic news.

If only I spoke Italian I could read the original stuff.

[Donger]

They mentioned that they are working on an end plan in one of the daily briefings.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

If only I spoke Italian I could read the original stuff.

google translate

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That's my worry as well. I am afraid we are falling into the paralysis by analysis hole. We are going to be too scared to clear anything because even if the data is saying good things people are going to be worrying about the other shoe to drop, so to speak.

There are going to be people who want to further things for reasons other than health concerns.

There are going to be people who want to rush things for other than health concerns.

There are people who are going to say health concerns are so bad we need to stay shut down.

There are people who are going to say health concerns have improved enough to start getting back to normal.

If the initial models are wrong (it’s not that they were really wrong they didn’t have the correct parameters it seems) you’ve gotta make decisions on current data

We can’t stay locked up forever