Veach's '21 Offseason Plan to Keep Us Thriving: Let's speculate

[Dante84]

In order to prevent us wasting precious years of Patrick Mahomes' career, Veach needs to work some magic this offseason. What's your advice for him?

[Wilson8]

Sorry for posting the PFF estimates for Free Agent contracts.

I was going to use the PFF info and match that up with what Spotrac.com had for Market value, but then I ran out of time, so just posted the PFF data.

The PFF info is not very good -

Another example of the huge difference between the two -

OT Cam Robinson - PFF 1 year $2 million ($2 million guaranteed)

OT Cam Robinson - Spotrac 4 years $45.598 million ($11.3 million Average)

Big, big difference.

The market value on Spotrac.com is only on a few free agents, but go to -
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/
Change your filters to try and find the player you are looking for.

[BossChief]

Okwara is horrible against the run. I highly doubt we consider him for significant money

[Wilson8]

Thought this was interesting -

Edge Jadeveon Clowney - PFF 1 year $13 million ($13 million guaranteed)

BUT

Edge Jadeveon Clowney - Spotrac says 1 year $6.5 million

If he actually signs for 1 year, $6.5 million, that is certainly a step down for him.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Wilson8

Thought this was interesting -

Edge Jadeveon Clowney - PFF 1 year $13 million ($13 million guaranteed)

BUT

Edge Jadeveon Clowney - Spotrac says 1 year $6.5 million

If he actually signs for 1 year, $6.5 million, that is certainly a step down for him.

He ended the year on IR with 0 sacks on the year.

I’d be a little surprised if he gets much more than 6.5m and won’t be shocked if he gets less.

[Wilson8]

Edge Haason Reddick - PFF 1 year $8.5 million ($8.5 million guaranteed)
Edge Haason Reddick - Spotrac 4 years $46.679 million ($11.6 million Average)

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by BossChief

He ended the year on IR with 0 sacks on the year.

I’d be a little surprised if he gets much more than 6.5m and won’t be shocked if he gets less.

This is why Veach should grab him because his value is at it's lowest right now and when healthy and motivated he could be a huge problem alongside Frank and Chris plus he's good against the run.

[Dull Tools]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

This is why Veach should grab him because his value is at it's lowest right now and when healthy and motivated he could be a huge problem alongside Frank and Chris plus he's good against the run.

I would only do this if we can't get a top target in the first round of the draft.

[Hoover]

Originally Posted by Wilson8

Sorry for posting the PFF estimates for Free Agent contracts.

I was going to use the PFF info and match that up with what Spotrac.com had for Market value, but then I ran out of time, so just posted the PFF data.

The PFF info is not very good -

Another example of the huge difference between the two -

OT Cam Robinson - PFF 1 year $2 million ($2 million guaranteed)

OT Cam Robinson - Spotrac 4 years $45.598 million ($11.3 million Average)

Big, big difference.

The market value on Spotrac.com is only on a few free agents, but go to -
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/
Change your filters to try and find the player you are looking for.

I still think I'd consider Cam Robinson with that price. He's your starting LT while Fisher recovers and then he's your LG in the future. I'd rather shell out 45M for a long term solution than spending millions on a short gap solution.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

This is why Veach should grab him because his value is at it's lowest right now and when healthy and motivated he could be a huge problem alongside Frank and Chris plus he's good against the run.

He wasn't a "huge problem" next to Watt and Mercilus so why would that be any better now with age and injuries piling up?

[O.city]

I mean, if it was like a year for 2.5 million, sure sign him. I wouldn't have high expectations.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by -King-

He wasn't a "huge problem" next to Watt and Mercilus so why would that be any better now with age and injuries piling up?

Well actually he got nine sacks in each of his last two seasons in texas. And also it's not just about the sacks it's about stopping the run too which we desperately need to improve next season.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by -King-

He wasn't a "huge problem" next to Watt and Mercilus so why would that be any better now with age and injuries piling up?

He was around a 10 sack/year player as a starter in Houston (24.5 sacks in 35 games his last 3 seasons, when he was a full-time starter). As recently as 2018, he racked up 9.5 sacks.

On a short, cheap "prove-it" deal it could pay off nicely.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

He was around a 10 sack/year player as a starter in Houston (24.5 sacks in 35 games his last 3 seasons, when he was a full-time starter). As recently as 2018, he racked up 9.5 sacks.

On a short, cheap "prove-it" deal it could pay off nicely.

Exactly!!..i get the feeling the league is not super high on him right now so it could be a great opportunity to get a good, experienced pass rusher on a cheap deal. Frank and Jones are good for eight to ten sacks in a season, get Clowney to add seven or more and we'd be in business.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Well actually he got nine sacks in each of his last two seasons in texas. And also it's not just about the sacks it's about stopping the run too which we desperately need to improve next season.

9 sacks is not a "huge problem". And we desperately need to improve our pass rush much much more than our run defense. And getting a guy who has 32 sacks in 7 seasons doesn't do that.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

He was around a 10 sack/year player as a starter in Houston (24.5 sacks in 35 games his last 3 seasons, when he was a full-time starter). As recently as 2018, he racked up 9.5 sacks.

On a short, cheap "prove-it" deal it could pay off nicely.

He has never had 10 sacks in his career. At his very best he averages 9 sacks for a 2 year period. Other than that his next best year is 6 sacks. The last 2 years he has 3 sacks in 19 starts (21 games played overall) and a bunch of games missed due to injury.

If he wants to come in and be a backup/rotational guy, fine but there is NO way he should come in and start. We need to draft or sign someone a lot better than him to start at our other DE spot.