Cardinals 2018 STL Cardinals Thread - Page 135

**BigRedChief** · 02:21 PM

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018

Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

Rams Fan · 07-14-2018, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

You only have Ozuna for 1 more year unless you grab a manager in the offseason who's ready to get down on his knees and relax his throat.

I don't foresee another Heyward situation regarding Ozuna.

Ozuna wants to be the featured player for a team and hasn't shied away from it.

Heyward wanted nothing to do with that.

jd1020 · 07-14-2018, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I don't foresee another Heyward situation regarding Ozuna.

Ozuna wants to be the featured player for a team and hasn't shied away from it.

He hasn't been a feature, either.

Rams Fan · 07-14-2018, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

He hasn't been a feature, either.

I don't necessarily disagree but I do believe he can bring a positive value to the Cardinals with his performance regardless.

Also:

The #STLCards players now are on notice. I get the feeling this front office will make sweeping changes if the direction isn’t VERY clear in the next few weeks. This front office has pined for years to be a seller and stock up for the future, as others have done.
— Mark Saxon (@markasaxon) July 15, 2018

100% for throwing up the flag on this season to ensure long term success. Not Royals-esque level but more or less the Yankees of 2016.

kcpasco · 07-14-2018, 11:41 PM

Ozuna isn’t exactly the type of player you would get down on your knees for. His lack of game is partially responsible for this mediocrity.

If he isn’t brought back I wouldn’t miss any sleep over it.

jd1020 · 07-14-2018, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

Ozuna isn’t exactly the type of player you would get down on your knees for. His lack of game is partially responsible for this mediocrity.

Probably not, but what are your alternatives?

Hope Tyler O'neill doesnt strike out 50% of the time?

kcpasco · 07-14-2018, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Probably not, but what are your alternatives?

Hope Tyler O'neill doesnt strike out 50% of the time?

Dont get me wrong, I want to keep him but definitely not break the bank for him. A player like Machado you break the bank for. Guys like Ozuna not so much.

kcpasco · 07-14-2018, 11:49 PM

O’Neill is comparable to Grichuk. I would take Grichuk’s high K rate and power threat over what Ozuna is currently bringing. I do think Ozuna is a better hitter than what we are currently getting though.

**BigRedChief** · 07-14-2018, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I don't necessarily disagree but I do believe he can bring a positive value to the Cardinals with his performance regardless.

Also:

The #STLCards players now are on notice. I get the feeling this front office will make sweeping changes if the direction isn’t VERY clear in the next few weeks. This front office has pined for years to be a seller and stock up for the future, as others have done.
— Mark Saxon (@markasaxon) July 15, 2018

100% for throwing up the flag on this season to ensure long term success. Not Royals-esque level but more or less the Yankees of 2015.

I’ve said all year to play for 2019.

Sell high on your found money

Trade Martinez to the AL
Sell high and Trade Mikolas to a contender

Correct your mistake
Give Fowler to anyone and cough up the money needed to make the deal

We are not getting Manny no matter if we offer $350 million. Ain’t happening.

Rams Fan · 07-14-2018, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I’ve said all year to play for 2019.

Sell high on your found money

Trade Martinez to the AL
Sell high and Trade Mikolas to a contender

Correct your mistake
Give Fowler to anyone and cough up the money needed to make the deal

We are not getting Manny no matter if we offer $350 million. Ain’t happening.

I agree with everything you said except about Mikolas.

Mikolas should be kept.

My issue with Martinez is while I think he can hit, he his skill set is not best suited for a team in the NL and his ability(or lack there of) hinders opportunities for Gyorko.

Machado isn't a realistic expectation of mine, but dammit, I'd love to see it happen. If it's not him, spend on someone else.

jd1020 · 07-15-2018, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I agree with everything you said except about Mikolas.

Mikolas should be kept.

Why on earth would you keep Mikolas?

You got him from Japan. Starting pitching is where the Cardinals actually have depth now and in the future. He's soon to be 30 years old and he's on a 2 year deal and you aren't contending. He was your only player to be voted into the All-Star game.

There is no better player on the Cardinals to trade right now than him.

Waiting on players to crash is how you turn Starlin Castro into Adam Warren or Jorge Soler into 1 year of post prime Wade Davis.

Rams Fan · 07-15-2018, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Why on earth would you keep Mikolas?

You got him from Japan. He's soon to be 30 years old and he's on a 2 year deal and you aren't contending. He was your only player to be voted into the All-Star game.

There is no better player on the Cardinals to trade right now than him.

Easy.

Wacha's shoulder is a ticking time bomb and until Reyes proves he can pitch in the big leagues you can't count on him for shit.

The Cardinals have a great chance at success in 2019. Mikolas being apart of the team only enhances that.

You can find my previous posts on saying how I didn't expect anything until 2019 with regards to playoffs from either this year or last.

I legitimately expect this team to contend next season and have even before this season started.

jd1020 · 07-15-2018, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

The Cardinals have a great chance at success in 2019.

You are lying to yourself my dude. Their chance lands on the ability to sign Machado or Harper.

All the big hitting clubs in the MLB didn't reset their luxury tax penalties this off season for nothing. Chances the Cardinals land either is pretty slim.

Even if one of them doesn't wind up in one of the huge markets, the Cardinals cannot match anything the Phillies would offer and you better believe the Phillies are gonna be stepping up to the plate for one of them.

Rams Fan · 07-15-2018, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

You are lying to yourself my dude. Their chance lands on the ability to sign Machado or Harper.

All the big hitting clubs in the MLB didn't reset their luxury tax penalties this off season for nothing. Chances the Cardinals land either is pretty slim.

I think ownership will finally have pressure put on them for the first time, in a long time, to go out and actually do something.

Assuming the team doesn't make the playoffs this season, this will mark the third consecutive season they've missed the POs. That's the longest stretch of missing the POs in the DeWitt era.

Fans aren't going to be too happy if that's the case. I'm grateful for the DeWitt era and the overall success of it, but part of that success leads to higher expectations.

I don't think any fan reaction will be anything like SaveOurChiefs level stuff, but there will be pressure for ownership to spend or for management to make significant improvements to the roster.

There are building blocks with the rotation and some offensive players to have a team compete at that level.

Now it's up to ownership/management to do one of three things:
1. Give up on the season and look forward to opportunities on how to improve the roster in 2019 and beyond starting immediately or after the season.

2. Don't give up on the season, improve the roster for this season and the future.

3. Do nothing.

SPchief · 07-15-2018, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Easy.

Wacha's shoulder is a ticking time bomb and until Reyes proves he can pitch in the big leagues you can't count on him for shit.

The Cardinals have a great chance at success in 2019. Mikolas being apart of the team only enhances that.

You can find my previous posts on saying how I didn't expect anything until 2019 with regards to playoffs from either this year or last.

I legitimately expect this team to contend next season and have even before this season started.

Strive for .500!

jd1020 · 07-15-2018, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I think ownership will finally have pressure put on them for the first time, in a long time, to go out and actually do something.

They can have all the pressure on them in the world but it has little to do with a FAs willingness to sign with the Cardinals.

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $2879627 VARSITY	2018 STL Cardinals Thread Opening day lineup Fowler RF Pham CF Carpenter 3B Ozuna LF Martinez 1B Molina C Dejong SS Wong 2B Pitcher Edit: Matheny fired 07/14/2018 Opening Day Roster Spoiler! St. Louis has opted to carry 12 position players and 13 pitchers to begin the new season, with a four-man bench and eight-man bullpen. Outfielders: Dexter Fowler Tommy Pham Marcell Ozuna Infielders: Matt Carpenter Paul DeJong Kolten Wong Catchers: Yadier Molina Francisco Pena Utility: Jose Martinez Greg Garcia Yairo Munoz Jedd Gyrko Starters: Carlos Martinez Michael Wacha Luke Weaver Miles Mikolas Jack Flaherty Relievers: Dominic Leone Tyler Lyons Bud Norris Brett Cecil Sam Tuivailala Matt Bowman Jordan Hicks Mike Mayers On the DL: Adam Wainwright Luke Gregerson Last edited by BigRedChief; 07-17-2018 at 02:21 PM..
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kcpasco MVP Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $7673463	Ozuna isn’t exactly the type of player you would get down on your knees for. His lack of game is partially responsible for this mediocrity. If he isn’t brought back I wouldn’t miss any sleep over it.
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kcpasco MVP Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $7673463	O’Neill is comparable to Grichuk. I would take Grichuk’s high K rate and power threat over what Ozuna is currently bringing. I do think Ozuna is a better hitter than what we are currently getting though.
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