***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Donger

McDaniel is survived by a wife and two sons. In his obituary, the family pleaded for “everyone to continue practicing social distancing to keep each other safe.”

Clearly, he had zero regrets for his actions

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by wazu

I'm already getting sick of these "GOT EEM!" stories every time somebody who disagreed with how we're handling this dies.

There are consequences for those that choose to deny science.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by wazu

Yeah but you're mocking him for his "choice". The only thing we know is he tweeted displeasure with government ordering businesses to shut down. The article states they don't know circumstances of how he was exposed.

I'm already getting sick of these "GOT EEM!" stories every time somebody who disagreed with how we're handling this dies.

I'm not mocking him. It sounds like he made a choice and it may have cost him his life, and left a wife and two kids behind. No, that's just sad.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by wazu

Yeah but you're mocking him for his "choice". The only thing we know is he tweeted displeasure with government ordering businesses to shut down. The article states they don't know circumstances of how he was exposed.

I'm already getting sick of these "GOT EEM!" stories every time somebody who disagreed with how we're handling this dies.

Some people are assholes, don't try to change them. Because, well they are assholes.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

I wonder if he still felt that way at the end.

Not mocking him/Donger

[KCUnited]

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There are consequences for those that choose to deny science.

But God and my homeschool teacher taught me different!

Fooey!!!

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Not mocking him/Donger

Exactly. It would be sad if he had regrets, wouldn't it?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Exactly. It would be sad if he had regrets, wouldn't it?

Wouldn't it? /Donger

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by lewdog

But God and my homeschool teacher taught me different!

Fooey!!!

Please don't.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Please don't.

I’m not.

False narrative you’re making about my post.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by lewdog

I’m not.

Yes you are.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Your numbers are simply way off on the high end on every single speculation. You are using numbers we know right now aren't true like your ridiculous death rate. CFR in known cases is 3-8%. At the high end that predicts 64K deaths and we know its not going to be 8% when this is over.

Incorrect. CFR is different than death rate based on our reported cases. We likely have millions of people with Covid-19 in this country that never get tested or reported. Many are presumptive positives and aren't counted as well. 2 million? 4 million? We won't know until years later and we do an antiserum test in a portion of our population. That is why the death rate is so high for the REPORTED cases.

But the death rate of REPORTED cases of Covid-19 is very high. You cannot dispute this. Even if you do not take into account the USA, it is very high. It is 21% worldwide, and that includes China's likely fabricated numbers & South Korea's numbers which included a large portion of asymptomatic testing.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
covidly.com
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

I'm not sure what other sources you need here.

There is 0.000001% chance that 50-60k people die from covid-19. I've been trying to find someone dumb enough to bet on this for a week now. Nobody will take me up on it. Why? Because they know deep down they are wrong.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

You notice how one group of posters can take anything posted in here with a grain of salt and another group has to immediately dispel anything they don't agree with?

I mean ECHO chamber away, I didn't post anything political.

If you can't tell the difference between posting random rumors from 4-Chan and information being posted on news sites, we might as well just add you to the list of people banned from the thread and be done with it.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by DaFace

If you can't tell the difference between posting random rumors from 4-Chan and information being posted on news sites, we might as well just add you to the list of people banned from the thread and be done with it.

So once its reported by who? Give me a list of approved sources. Because all I did was post what I thought was interesting in relation to CoronaVirus.

The information wasnt leaked by 4-Chan. It was leaked by someone else, i just saw it on 4-chan.