***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Nah, everyone knows KC>>>STL in every single fashion, so I'm not surprised.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You doctors just love doom and gloom shit.

How are facts doom and gloom? Reality is hard for you huh?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Thanks to that CDC site you can look at the different models besides the IHME one.

This one you can look at the R0 estimate and actual for every state.

https://covid19-projections.com/infections-tracker/

Wow. That model is much more pessimistic. They also take a pretty large dump on the IHME model.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by notorious

We all know this is going to pass through just about everyone, eventually. People will die, and it sucks, but we can't hide from this forever.

By isolating ourselves we've given the hospitals a chance to take in the people that need care at a somewhat controlled rate. By some miracle a vaccine will be developed (not holding my breath) that will protect everyone.


It is possible.......sit down for this........that both sides of the argument are correct. Distancing and herd mentality work.

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[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

How are facts doom and gloom? Reality is hard for you huh?

Yea you probably don't want to go down the "reality" road. Not that you have ever seen it.

I fully understand the reality of all of this, people die every day in large numbers from all kinds of shit.

And his statement was opinion not "fact" in any way shape or form. I get this is hard for you.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Yea you probably don't want to go down the "reality" road. Not that you have ever seen it.

I fully understand the reality of all of this, people die every day in large numbers from all kinds of shit.

And his statement was opinion not "fact" in any way shape or form. I get this is hard for you.

Tell me: what other contagious disease has killed 55,000 Americans in the last month or so?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Tell me: what other contagious disease has killed 55,000 Americans in the last month or so?

Tell me how many people have purchased a Popeyes chicken sandwich in the last 3 months.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Tell me how many people have purchased a Popeyes chicken sandwich in the last 3 months.

I see. If you don't want to be challenged when you say foolish things, I'd suggest not saying them at all.

[banyon]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

How are facts doom and gloom? Reality is hard for you huh?

LOL, he has probably accused me of the same 30 times in the DC thread for doing the same thing.

[FloridaMan88]

One third of Sweden’s COVID-19 deaths are taking place in nursing homes.

If they could more strategically social distance this high risk group (i.e. limit outside visitors, ensure that all staff have proper protective gear, etc.), their overall death rate would be much lower.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

I see. If you don't want to be challenged when you say foolish things, I'd suggest not saying them at all.

Look I am not going to muck this thread up with a debate you and I have already had 10 times in the other forum. You know what I think of your qualifier and you know we disagree. Move the **** on with your high and mighty bullshit.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Donger

Tell me: what other contagious disease has killed 55,000 Americans in the last month or so?

How many of those people died without any other underlying health conditions/contributing causes of death?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Look I am not going to muck this thread up with a debate you and I have already had 10 times in the other forum. You know what I think of your qualifier and you know we disagree. Move the **** on with your high and mighty bullshit.

And you chose to bring it up here. Your argument is crap. Yes, people die of other diseases all the time. And car wrecks. They aren't contagious. You can't spread it to 3 or more other people. Comparing COVID-19 to the above, or even seasonal flu, is not valid.

Like I said, name one other flu season that had a monthly death toll of 50,000 people. If you can't, please stop trying to make the comparison.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

How many of those people died without any other underlying health conditions/contributing causes of death?

I don't know. Probably at least 50%? Why is that important/relevant?

[banyon]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

One third of Sweden’s COVID-19 deaths are taking place in nursing homes.

If they could more strategically social distance this high risk group (i.e. limit outside visitors, ensure that all staff have proper protective gear, etc.), their overall death rate would be much lower.

I don't know of any nursing homes that aren't on lockdown orders and it still gets in. But the lack of PPE is probably a factor too.