***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I read the article and didn't see any politics mentioned one way or the other. But then again think about who you are talking too. Why read something that may go against your predetermined conclusion when you can use a site (that I have never heard of) as a reason not to read it?

You also posted a story from Glenn Becks website and claimed it wasnt political. It's really a shame you haven't contracted a severe case of covid.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

That site is notorious for fake news and no surprise mins after you posting it Hamas shot it down. Quit posting fake shit you're a mod you should know better.

You want to know how I know you don't have an argument for what is said in the article? You're attacking the site and not what's being said. Swinging from Hamas' nuts doesn't make you right, either. At least Hamas has a well thought out response, something you're clearly not capable of.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

You also posted a story from Glenn Becks website and claimed it wasnt political. It's really a shame you haven't contracted a severe case of covid.

Later, dipshit.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Depends on the test. Most of the early tests (like the ones used on the Boston and Santa Clara examples listed in Bowser's link) had extremely poor specificity which rendered them a coinflip at best and led to a vast overestimation of the number of infections and a complete misrepresentation of the fatality rate (claiming it was much lower than reality).

Some of the newer tests that have been verified by outside parties have much better specificity levels, but it needs to be above 99.5% to have clinical utility in this environment.

I`m in the SF Bay Area and Ive been told you can go to any Lab Corps or Quest Labs and pay $125 for an antibody test. I wonder if what they use today is legit or not?

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

You also posted a story from Glenn Becks website and claimed it wasnt political. It's really a shame you haven't contracted a severe case of covid.

That`s jacked up dude.....

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I`m in the SF Bay Area and Ive been told you can go to any Lab Corps or Quest Labs and pay $125 for an antibody test. I wonder if what they use today is legit or not?

IIRC, they were going to offer that up in KC soon as well, after they got the tests out to first responders and front line workers. I may be misremembering that, though.

[limested]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Wtf are you talking about? We are talking about what numbers show whether or not Texas's reopening is causing a spike in Covid cases. The raw number of cases confirmed by testing is not a good indicator because of the increase in testing. Deaths in the other hand(given a lag time) are a much better indicator.

Your misleading fear mongering comment has zero to do with what we were discussing. If you choose to defend your comment please provide specific data and research on how many people as a percentage have proven permanent damage due to Covid-19. Make sure it is broken down by age please. Not sure how much I'm supposed to care about a 98 year old with "permanent" damage.

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Are we talking about cases or deaths? Make up your ****ing mind.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Bowser

You want to know how I know you don't have an argument for what is said in the article? You're attacking the site and not what's being said. Swinging from Hamas' nuts doesn't make you right, either. At least Hamas has a well thought out response, something you're clearly not capable of.

Exactly.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

You also posted a story from Glenn Becks website and claimed it wasnt political. It's really a shame you haven't contracted a severe case of covid.

....really? Not a shock coming from you.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by petegz28

....really? Not a shock coming from you.

Frankly I’m amazed we made it nearly 400 pages without that happening.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Bowser

IIRC, they were going to offer that up in KC soon as well, after they got the tests out to first responders and front line workers. I may be misremembering that, though.

I think they already are but how reliable are they?

[Donger]

For Hamas' erudition:

https://www.livescience.com/new-coro...-with-flu.html

Another limitation with the case fatality rate is that some people who are counted as confirmed cases may eventually die from the disease, which would lead to an increase in the death rate. For example, South Korea initially reported a case fatality rate of 0.6% in early March, but it later rose to 1.7% by the beginning of April, according to New Scientist.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by wazu

Frankly I’m amazed we made it nearly 400 pages without that happening.

Dude, my biggest problem with tithead is he posted back in March he didn't think he was going to be able to make it financially through this if he lost his job. Then a couple weeks later he made some smart ass comment about how he is being paid to sit on his ass at home. He has been screaming for longer and longer lockdowns and because of his past posts I have questioned his integrity in those calls as I believe he just wants to milk it.

I have already seen a couple of people I know doing the same. They talk the talk but what it comes down to is they just don't want to go back to work but they want to keep getting their paycheck.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I`m in the SF Bay Area and Ive been told you can go to any Lab Corps or Quest Labs and pay $125 for an antibody test. I wonder if what they use today is legit or not?

Originally Posted by Bowser

IIRC, they were going to offer that up in KC soon as well, after they got the tests out to first responders and front line workers. I may be misremembering that, though.

I believe you can go anywhere in the country and get an antibody test through Quest. I asked if anyone knew how accurate their test was and didn't get much of a response.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

I believe you can go anywhere in the country and get an antibody test through Quest. I asked if anyone knew how accurate their test was and didn't get much of a response.

Did you go get tested today?