***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It was not exactly what you said. You need to learn that language is not merely the dictionary definition of words. Connotation and structure matter too. You consistently have problems with this. When you say, "ripping off the Band-Aid and stopping the hiding," your phrasing suggests that it is an option to be considered, "even if it's not the most sensible." It's not sensible at all, and it also paints mitigation strategies in a negative light when they are proven to work.

You had the same problem when saying that hospitals are fudging numbers, as though that isn't fraud.

This, which leads to a lot of his confusion .

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

You've never read Aristotle, have you?

That quote is from "Poetics" where Aristotle is discussing the merits of fiction and his admiration of Homer's capacity to essentially lie; the example that Aristotle gives is Homer's use of Odysseus arriving in Ithica while asleep....

To be blunt, Aristotle is saying that there is entertainment value in someone being full of shit.

Which is why, I suppose, people continue to engage you in this thread.

Of course there is. There are billion $ industries built on that very concept.

[Donger]

[KCUnited]

Montana reopened too early

[tyecopeland]

My county went from 7 to 12 cases in a couple days. Heard one of them was a day care worker so all employees, kids and parents got tested.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Abbott halted all elective surgeries in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin. They're preparing for a surge.

[Donger]

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-upda...city-modeling/

TMC, the goliath of this group, said that as of Tuesday, 97% of its 1,330 ICU beds were occupied (only 27% are currently filled by patients with Covid-19; 70% are non-Covid patients). TMC estimates it can handle a surge of about 373 more patients and, in extreme circumstances, another 504. If all those additional 877 patients are admitted, TMC’s maximum capacity of 2,207 ICU beds will be reached.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Abbott halted all elective surgeries in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin. They're preparing for a surge.

Well I'm sure this will bring out BleedingRed to jump all up in your ass with his information.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by Donger

We could have followed the task force guidelines for re-opening, which made complete sense, and we didn't. Oh well.

But my county only has a few cases! Hoax

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

But my county only has a few cases! Hoax

"We won't be like Italy!"

Guess they were right.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

But my county only has a few cases! Hoax

JFC

[Mecca]

Well yea graphs like that look bad, Florida has more positive tests in the last 3 days than South Korea does for the entire thing.

[Donger]

The governor of Texas hit the brakes on reopening his state Thursday as hospitals were inundated with “an explosion” of new COVID-19 cases and officials warned there might not be enough beds available.

“The last thing we want to do as a state is go backwards and close down businesses," Gov. Greg Abbott said in a statement. "This temporary pause will help our state corral the spread until we can safely enter the next phase of opening our state for business."

Abbott urged "all Texans to do their part to slow the spread of COVID-19 by wearing a mask, washing their hands regularly and socially distancing from others."

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

But my county only has a few cases! Hoax

BleedingRed:

[Donger]

Originally Posted by sedated

JFC

What?