***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/ballouxfrancois/...878381063?s=21

That would put about 80 percent of people to have some sort of immunity Due to previous coronavirus infections

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://twitter.com/ballouxfrancois/...878381063?s=21

That would put about 80 percent of people to have some sort of immunity Due to previous coronavirus infections

That's very interesting....

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Is that back in stock in the stores like crapper paper? I haven't even looked to be honest.

Hand sanitizer is back and its back with a vengeance. The amount of different hand sanitizer on the market now is ridiculous. All these new hand sanitizers made by companies that were too late to the punch. The supply of sanitizer is probably 10x the demand now. That goes for masks too. Wal-Mart has packs of 50 masks for $30! Thats highway robbery and these companies are out of their ****ing minds if they think those masks will be flying off shelves, especially when you can easily make a couple washable masks at home for a couple bucks per mask.

So many companies looking to capitalize on a pandemic and most of them are gonna be stuck with one hell of a supply of masks. Look for some damn good deals on masks in the next year if a vaccine is created.

I dont think I could try to capitalize on COVID19. These companies that came out with all these masks and hand sanitizers have to be hoping for COVID to come back like the Spanish Flu and no vaccine is discovered. If that happens then those things will fly off the shelf and they can charge even more ridiculous amounts of money. I know there are companies/industries that profit on death, but profiting on mass death and sickness seems to be an awfully shitty way to make money, since youre not gonna be able to enjoy that money if it gets bad enough that you make millions.

[petegz28]

Wife just got back from Target...looks like a run on TP and paper towels is starting again....

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That's very interesting....

It's also wrong.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

It's also wrong.

I didn't read a lot into it but could you elaborate a bit?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

It's also wrong.

So you’re disputing that there is any cross immunity?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

So you’re disputing that there is any cross immunity?

Absolutely.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Absolutely.

Based on?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Absolutely.

Can you substantiate your reasoning a bit more, please?

[O.city]

It would explain the cruise ships and navy ships pretty well. Would also explain why Stockholm down curve with no major lock downs and such looks similar to New York’s

[dirk digler]

https://globalnews.ca/news/7111094/c...alth-problems/


Risk of never fully recovering after coronavirus ‘very real,’ scientists say

Scientists are only starting to grasp the vast array of health problems caused by the novel coronavirus, some of which may have lingering effects on patients and health systems for years to come, according to doctors and infectious disease experts.

Besides the respiratory issues that leave patients gasping for breath, the virus that causes COVID-19 attacks many organ systems, in some cases causing catastrophic damage.

“We thought this was only a respiratory virus. Turns out, it goes after the pancreas. It goes after the heart. It goes after the liver, the brain, the kidney and other organs. We didn’t appreciate that in the beginning,” said Dr. Eric Topol, a cardiologist and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute in La Jolla, California.

In addition to respiratory distress, patients with COVID-19 can experience blood clotting disorders that can lead to strokes, and extreme inflammation that attacks multiple organ systems. The virus can also cause neurological complications that range from headache, dizziness and loss of taste or smell to seizures and confusion.

And recovery can be slow, incomplete and costly, with a huge impact on quality of life.

The broad and diverse manifestations of COVID-19 are somewhat unique, said Dr. Sadiya Khan, a cardiologist at Northwestern Medicine in Chicago.
With influenza, people with underlying heart conditions are also at higher risk of complications, Khan said. What is surprising about this virus is the extent of the complications occurring outside the lungs.

Kahn believes there will be a huge healthcare expenditure and burden for individuals who have survived COVID-19.

Patients who were in the intensive care unit or on a ventilator for weeks will need to spend extensive time in rehab to regain mobility and strength.
“It can take up to seven days for every one day that you’re hospitalized to recover that type of strength,” Kahn said. “It’s harder the older you are, and you may never get back to the same level of function.”

While much of the focus has been on the minority of patients who experience severe disease, doctors increasingly are looking to the needs of patients who were not sick enough to require hospitalization, but are still suffering months after first becoming infected.

Studies are just getting underway to understand the long-term effects of infection, Jay Butler, deputy director of infectious diseases at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told reporters in a telephone briefing on Thursday.

“We hear anecdotal reports of people who have persistent fatigue, shortness of breath,” Butler said. “How long that will last is hard to say.”
While coronavirus symptoms typically resolve in two or three weeks, an estimated 1 in 10 experience prolonged symptoms, Dr. Helen Salisbury of the University of Oxford wrote in the British Medical Journal on Tuesday.
Salisbury said many of her patients have normal chest X-rays and no sign of inflammation, but they are still not back to normal.

“If you previously ran 5k three times a week and now feel breathless after a single flight of stairs, or if you cough incessantly and are too exhausted to return to work, then the fear that you may never regain your previous health is very real,” she wrote.

Dr. Igor Koralnik, chief of neuro-infectious diseases at Northwestern Medicine, reviewed current scientific literature and found about half of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 had neurological complications, such as dizziness, decreased alertness, difficulty concentrating, disorders of smell and taste, seizures, strokes, weakness and muscle pain.

Koralnik, whose findings were published in the Annals of Neurology, has started an outpatient clinic for COVID-19 patients to study whether these neurological problems are temporary or permanent.

Kahn sees parallels with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Much of the early focus was on deaths.

“In recent years, we’ve been very focused on the cardiovascular complications of HIV survivorship,” Kahn said.

[TLO]

Anyone have any insight on how accurate antigen testing for covid is? I'm seeing a number of 85%, but there doesn't seem to be anything recent on it.

I'm talking antigen testing done in a doctor's office.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

I guess I’m not following your timeline after the debit card purchase. Receive card (contact), run card, hand card back, grab spray bottle (secondary contact). Now the spray bottle has whatever the debit card had.

The outside of the bottle is, but if you spray both hands with said bottle, your hands are clean once the IPA has evaporated. An IPA wetted glove is not at risk of contamination because the alcohol kills the virus, and your gloved hand will be freshly wet since you just sprayed it. And spraying with Everclear is a waste.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

Anyone have any insight on how accurate antigen testing for covid is? I'm seeing a number of 85%, but there doesn't seem to be anything recent on it.

I'm talking antigen testing done in a doctor's office.

You mean antibody?