***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I think anywhere that opens will have to deal with new cases, the places that will do better than others will be the ones where the population are being reasonable and responsible and they have government who are aggressive in testing and tracing.

If you didn't expect some sort of rise in cases with re-openings then your head was in the sand to begin with.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by O.city

"(I)nfection depends as well on the route of exposure, the size of inoculum, the duration of exposure, and host defenses"

YES this! Airborne transmission is more complicated than just particles or viral RNA detection. I appreciated this balanced review.https://t.co/tBARLN37c9

— Dr. Angela Rasmussen (@angie_rasmussen) July 14, 2020

Really good article breakdown about spread.

Aerosols not being a big proponent of this would be huge. It never made sense to me that they were the primary driver, as they compared in this article to Measles.

Measles R0 is like 18 due to that.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

If you have the virus then a vaccine does little. And as we have seen with the flu vaccine people still get the flu for various reasons.

My faith in all of this is a vaccine is great and all but I would be much more confident if we knew how to treat it effectively if you do get it.

If you vaccinate, you essentially wipe out the risk of getting it.

The reason people get the flu after getting the vaccine is because of mutation probability of influenza viruses. Corona viruses don't.

Vaccines are always better than a treatment.

[O.city]

"Schools do not play a major role in spreading the coronavirus, according to the results of a German study... 'Children act more as a brake on infection. Not every infection that reaches them is passed on.' Prof Reinhard Berner, Dresden Univ Hospital."https://t.co/KcOhEtRifb

— Aaron Ginn (@aginnt) July 14, 2020

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

I hope some that is true but Germany has their infections under control while we don't. We have already seen infection spread in schools here so I am not entirely buying that ( mostly teenage spread I believe.)

[Pants]

Originally Posted by O.city

If you vaccinate, you essentially wipe out the risk of getting it.

The reason people get the flu after getting the vaccine is because of mutation probability of influenza viruses. Corona viruses don't.

Vaccines are always better than a treatment.

Put the crayons away. Pete has been told this at least 7 times in this thread in very simple terms. It has never registered and never will.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I hope some that is true but Germany has their infections under control while we don't. We have already seen infection spread in schools here so I am not entirely buying that ( mostly teenage spread I believe.)

They did these tests in schools where the Virus had been proved to have bene though.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by tooge

You should be able to tell when its time to take a shit

I've never understood when people say that.

I eat spicy foods daily and it never effects my shit. My shit this morning was glorious and no burning. Basically a no wipe ghost poop, which are amazing. Other benefit of COVID is I couldn't smell a ****ing thing!

[O.city]

Pfizer CEO says their vaccine may be ready by October and they're essentially going to give it away?

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by O.city

If you vaccinate, you essentially wipe out the risk of getting it.

The reason people get the flu after getting the vaccine is because of mutation probability of influenza viruses. Corona viruses don't.

Vaccines are always better than a treatment.

This right here.

And if there's reason to be optimistic it's that vaccine trials and this virus are looking promising. All the more reason to mitigate risk for now if we honestly have a shot at an effective vaccine.

Thanks for your posts in here.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by lewdog

This right here.

And if there's reason to be optimistic it's that vaccine trials and this virus are looking promising. All the more reason to mitigate risk for now if we honestly have a shot at an effective vaccine.

Thanks for your posts in here.

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipelin...izers-progress

[O.city]

https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/com...tm_name=iossmf

[O.city]

https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/com...tm_name=iossmf

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

They did these tests in schools where the Virus had been proved to have bene though.

I am sure you read about this story that just happened where 3 teachers shared the same classroom and they all got Covid and one died. You have to think about the staff as well. Having large groups of people indoors for an extended period of time I just think is pretty scary.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ng/5405651002/

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

ERRORS FOUND: Florida's positivity rate is skewed. #FOX35 went through #COVID19 test reports & found many clinics reporting 100% positivity. @orlandohealth admits their number is wrong, saying it shows 98% positive, but it's actually 9.4%. @fox35orlando https://t.co/NgFuXjw5OS

— Amy Kaufeldt (@Fox35Amy) July 14, 2020