***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Ok.

Just like everything else with you Pete.

**** those people, right?

You bitch about sending kids to school then you bitch when you get told to stay home and teach them after you said "Education can also be done from the home"


You know...I see a pattern here..you literally are talking out of both sides of your face and bitching about both sides....

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

There should be no in person playdates but send then into a school 5 days a week?


Makes total sense CDC...

Originally Posted by O.city

Similar to why certain things are deemed essential, education is essential play dates aren’t

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Education can also be done from home.

Originally Posted by petegz28

Just stay home and teach them.....

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Ok.

Just like everything else with you Pete.

**** those people, right?

I think you huffed too much glue this morning

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

You bitch about sending kids to school then you bitch when you get told to stay home and teach them after you said "Education can also be done from the home"


You know...I see a pattern here..you literally are talking out of both sides of your face and bitching about both sides....

The school should have a program to let them decide and teach them from home.

Every school should.

That's my point you ****ing idiot.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

The school should have a program to let them decide and teach them from home.

Every school should.

That's my point you ****ing idiot.

Yeah I don't quite think it is. You can choose to home school your children so......

I think you just want to bitch regardless

[phisherman]

That's a lot like saying that every job should offer the option to fully work from home. Sounds awful nice but it's not practical at all.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Big family get togethers need to stop.

There is also no reason whatsoever for restaurants to be open right now except for carry out. Packing 300 ppl in a building all eating and laughing and talking etc. Cant eat with masks on.

Outside activities without large groups more reasonable.

We could even have a chance to hitting 500k deaths in the next 6 months. We haven't even really had to deal with this thing at the peak of the cold and flu season, either.

I agree. 500k seems high though but if we don't get covid under control 300k is definitely possible. I can't believe I am even typing that. Our entire response has been a giant ****ing cluster ****.

I was reading a story the other day that in the Southern Hemisphere they all but eradicated the flu for this year with all the preventative measures they have taken for covid. We might see that here this year with flu way down with social distancing and masks mandates. Wait who am I kidding no we won't because our leadership and citizens are idiots.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Numerous studys from other countries support the CDC here as well.

People are losing sight of everything other than Covid. Starting to live in a vacuum even. They don't want to hear about anything else other than Covid. And if it ain't Covid it ain't a problem.

To wit I say...

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I agree. 500k seems high though but if we don't get covid under control 300k is definitely possible. I can't believe I am even typing that. Our entire response has been a giant ****ing cluster ****.

I was reading a story the other day that in the Southern Hemisphere they all but eradicated the flu for this year with all the preventative measures they have taken for covid. We might see that here this year with flu way down with social distancing and masks mandates. Wait who am I kidding no we won't because our leadership and citizens are idiots.

We would have to average about 2,000ish deaths a day, every day for the next 6 months to reach 500k deaths by then. We haven't had 2,000+ deaths in a single day since May 7th. Just some perspective.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Numerous studys from other countries support the CDC here as well.

The South Korea study is the gold standard and I would encourage anyone to read it. It looked at over 60k kids IIRC the other studies were very small in comparison.

Opening schools is not an easy decision because parents do need to work and kids need to be in class physically. But at the same time large groups of people in an indoor setting is bad news and a covid super spread event waiting to happen.

Just look at what recently happened in Israel when they opened schools.

[oldandslow]

Originally Posted by petegz28

We would have to average about 2,000ish deaths a day, every day for the next 6 months to reach 500k deaths by then. We haven't had 2,000+ deaths in a single day since May 7th. Just some perspective.

Be honest. You didn't think we would hit 148K by August either. None of you deniers did. We are probably going to hit 200K by election day and who knows where it goes after that. 300, 400, 500 - What number does it have to get to for folks to just put on a damn mask. And that isn't a panacea, but it certainly can't hurt.

Just some perspective.

[Donger]

Am I reading this correctly? We've gone from a rolling 7-day death average of 516/day on July 5 to 918/day on July 24?

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

In our county 54 percent of students live with their grand parents.

There is no excuse for those kind of numbers.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by oldandslow

Be honest. You didn't think we would hit 148K by August either. None of you deniers did. We are probably going to hit 200K by election day and who knows where it goes after that. 300, 400, 500 - What number does it have to get to for folks to just put on a damn mask. And that isn't a panacea, but it certainly can't hurt.

Just some perspective.

Deniers? Yeah, okay.....

8 people in Johnson County out of the working age population have died from Covid. No one under 29. No one has died outside of a care facility in JoCo since April. So yeahm perspective, why are we not sending kids to school? And FYI, JoCo never had a mask mandate until a couple of weeks ago yet all the people going to the bars and restaurants and what not are not dead.

I agree there is a strong concern for elderly individuals and it's hard enough to protect them but we have to do a much better job of doing so.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by stevieray

There is no excuse for those kind of numbers.

There is, it's just usually not a good one.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The South Korea study is the gold standard and I would encourage anyone to read it. It looked at over 60k kids IIRC the other studies were very small in comparison.

Opening schools is not an easy decision because parents do need to work and kids need to be in class physically. But at the same time large groups of people in an indoor setting is bad news and a covid super spread event waiting to happen.

Just look at what recently happened in Israel when they opened schools.

So the other studies aren’t ok and too small but the ones rhat say what you think are ok? Confirmation bias?