***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[TLO]

Originally Posted by lewdog

The State ran out of rapid tests 3 weeks ago when I was looking to get tested. They have more now but are trying to use them mostly at hospitals currently. They also are refusing to test you unless you have symptoms so they can conserve tests. It's almost like States should know what they **** they are doing by now and where to get more tests.

Oh well.

That's unacceptable. Antigen tests in particular are cheap and relatively easy to make. We should have a surplus out the ass of these tests in every doctors office,b urgent care, and hospital in the nation.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Today's backlog number reported was 372.

There's so many people keeping track of the numbers you're probably going to get a number each place you look.

I keep an eye on the overall Missouri numbers but have very much stayed focused on our local numbers in particular. I know they're up to date at least.

Just looking at the % positive and how much it has raised in the past week or two tells you there is a big problem somewhere.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Locking down a country brings 2nd order effects.
...

The disruptions and policies are right there in the article.

The point is that the people making the policies have said they are not looking at the bigger picture, not calculating 2nd order effects. In the US we will see a spike in suicide, heart disease not treated, cancer missed, drug overdoses and crime.

There are also second order effects to having the virus raging through a community. Just because you open things up doesn't mean people will come spend money.

Travel is, or was, a big part of the US economy. It is way down. For a country as sprawling and diverse as the US, it would probably take a long time to reach herd immunity everywhere. Instead there would be a series of hot spots. That would keep the economy depressed for a long time.

There aren't easy answers and the trade offs are painful. I think the approach in western Europe is going to eventually be seen as much better than the US. But it will be a year or more before you can use hind sight to say could have/should have for sure.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by TLO

The rapid test used by at our Urgent Care claims a 95.8% accuracy if administered within 5 days of symptom onset. There's info on it somewhere if you care to see it.

Definitely would like to see that.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Definitely would like to see that.

https://www.medtechdive.com/news/qui...curacy/581902/

[dirk digler]

Dr Fauci on CNN has some good news about vaccines. Confidant that the vaccine will be effective maybe up to 90% and that Moderna says they will have a billion doses by next year.

Also brought up a study that came out a few days ago that I need to look up that said the vaccines stopped covid in chimps.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Dr Fauci on CNN has some good news about vaccines. Confidant that the vaccine will be effective maybe up to 90% and that Moderna says they will have a billion doses by next year.

Also brought up a study that came out a few days ago that I need to look up that said the vaccines stopped covid in chimps.

But how many does will they have in the near future?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by TLO

But how many does will they have in the near future?

200 million or so I think he saiid for us. The Oxford vaccine will be around 400 million for the US as well. We should have plenty if both work out

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

200 million or so I think he saiid for us. The Oxford vaccine will be around 400 million for the US as well. We should have plenty if both work out

But how soon will it be ready is my big question.

[MahomesMagic]

At 32.9%, the second-quarter annualized contraction marked by far the worst plunge ever recorded, based on Bureau of Economic Analysis data spanning back to 1947. Before the pandemic, the worst GDP print on record was in the first quarter of 1958, when GDP fell 10.0% on an annualized basis.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/q2-gd...171558880.html

[suzzer99]

Yeah but Apple announced big earnings and a 4-1 split, so it's off to the races tomorrow!

[lewdog]

Healthcare workers and 65+ get the vaccine first.

Thanks.

[suzzer99]

Karens and anti-maskers get at the back of the line.

Half of them won't take it anyway. But they're gonna freak out when their kids can't get into school w/o a shot. They are going to absolutely lose their shit.

[MahiMike]

Why are we still here? Covid has been defeated. No one knows of course because the Drs that figured it out have been banned from social media.

It's over guys.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

Why are we still here? Covid has been defeated. No one knows of course because the Drs that figured it out have been banned from social media.

It's over guys.