***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

It is 93% and Dr. Fauci said we may need to be close to what we do for measles to stop covid.

Oh shit now you have done it.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Oh shit now you have done it.

This thread needs some juice lol

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

numb nuts

So I am talking to the elderly. Got it.



No, because the relevant point was that someone responsible for the vaccine rollout stated HERSELF that she voted against prioritizing vaccines for the nursing homes because it might hurt the vaccine safety perception in the general public.

She stated that protecting the vaccine's reputation was more important than reducing deaths NOW.

Why does this fact bother you so much you changed the subject? I just thought it showed why we might be having problems with this rollout as saving lives can take a backseat to other agendas that others have.

I see the crayons are needed. Okay.

This thread is supposed to be politics-free. You chose to post a tweet that was overtly political. See, you can tell because it openly and clearly mentioned politics. I even bolded it for you. And it's something you've done repeatedly.

So, again, please stop. Thanks.

[O.city]

The reason the measles is so high is it’s Ro is so high. SARS cov 2 is no where near that

I’m not sure what he’s basing that on

[Donger]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

It is 93% and Dr. Fauci said we may need to be close to what we do for measles to stop covid.

Right, but he also said that he'd bet that SARS-CoV-2 isn't close to being as contagious as measles (paraphrasing).

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by Donger

Have not all cases confirmed via PCR been infected with SARS-CoV-2, despite the "issues" with said test?

OK. Not going down this road with you as it has been widely discussed in the past. It is curious that the NYT finally is recognizing the amount of cycles that a PCR test has to go through to get a positive is a critical piece of information in assessing the severity of the infection or if the "infected" is of any concern. Like most all things the NYT has recently "discovered", this has been widely known for months.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Donger

I see the crayons are needed. Okay.

This thread is supposed to be politics-free. You chose to post a tweet that was overtly political. See, you can tell because it openly and clearly mentioned politics. I even bolded it for you. And it's something you've done repeatedly.

So, again, please stop. Thanks.

Well, at first I thought you had a learning disability but now your "numb nuts" insult indicated your advanced age. You're old and you're scared.

I get that. And by the way, you should get your vaccine first. That's my position.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Well, at first I thought you had a learning disability but now your "numb nuts" insult indicated your advanced age. You're old and you're scared.

I get that. And by the way, you should get your vaccine first. That's my position.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

The reason the measles is so high is it’s Ro is so high. SARS cov 2 is no where near that

I’m not sure what he’s basing that on

Originally Posted by Donger

Right, but he also said that he'd bet that SARS-CoV-2 isn't close to being as contagious as measles (paraphrasing).

I don't know either O.City and he said that before we learned about these 2 new strains that seem to spread more quickly.

[BigRedChief]

I’m hearing from my old work buddies that there is a nationwide oxygen shortage. That some are already rationing O2. Seems like a big deal to me but heard nothing about this in the media.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Right, but he also said that he'd bet that SARS-CoV-2 isn't close to being as contagious as measles (paraphrasing).

Nothing gives you confidence in the guy in charge of the pandemic than him saying things like -

"I would bet Covid isn't close to being as contagious as the measles".

I mean who can argue with that kind of hard hitting science?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Nothing gives you confidence in the guy in charge of the pandemic than him saying things like -

"I would bet Covid isn't close to being as contagious as the measles".

I mean who can argue with that kind of hard hitting science?

Well, yes. Measles has an R0 of 15. It's one of the most contagious viruses out there. It's pretty clear that COVID-19 is much lower than that.

[O.city]

Well change of plans, looks like I may be able to get vaccinated tomorrow

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Well, yes. Measles has an R0 of 15. It's one of the most contagious viruses out there. It's pretty clear that COVID-19 is much lower than that.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

Well change of plans, looks like I may be able to get vaccinated tomorrow

Let us know how it goes, my ex is one of the lucky few who got all the symptoms of covid from it.