Chiefs Chris Jones in 9 career playoff games: 0 sacks - Page 4

CasselGotPeedOn · 02-09-2021, 12:00 PM

Only 4 Qb hits. He does have 9 passes defended which seems really high, so that's good. And yes, he did have a very important pass defended in last years SB, we might not have won the game without it. But at some point he needs to get his fair share of the blame for his inability to be effective as a pass rusher in the playoffs. Not to mention the dumbass personal foul penalties.

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-09-2021, 01:15 PM

Good lord. That's why you watch the play and not rely on "numbers". Yeah it is odd to be empty on sacks, but good lord he was a terror in last year's superbowl and made some big plays this postseason and last.

ToxSocks · 02-09-2021, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JudasRising20

They tried recently. Kpassagnon and Speaks didn't pan out. When was the last time they drafted a good edge rusher? Tamba Hali?

You're not likely going to get a Nick Bosa outside the top 10. They're drafting late in the first round. Hard to find someone who can start and immediately be an impact player.

Well you're sure as **** not going to find them by not trying. Don't give me that crap. Damn near every great player on this roster aside from Mahomes was a 2nd rounder or later....

We can find a Sneed in the 4th but im suppose to think they CAN'T find an edge in the bttm 1st? C'mon now.

htismaqe · 02-09-2021, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

tbh I would prefer we land a playmaker at LB. Jones is already a playmaker on our DL and we have three in the secondary: Mathieu, Dirty Dan, and Sneed.

Superior TEs feast on this defense, and RBs break through arm tackles at the LOS. We need someone at the next level to make big plays. Right now all we have are JAGs, which is fine if you mix in a playmaker.

Dude, how many times have you seen Kelce make a fool of even the best LB's?

Nobody can cover good TE's one on one, that's why they're good.

They just drafted Willie Gay. There's no reason to spend quality draft capital on a low value position.

staylor26 · 02-09-2021, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

He hasn’t gotten as many sacks because he’s been playing responsible team defense and not just abandoning his gaps to make selfish plays that hang teammates out to dry.

And because there’s very little pass rush on the edges to force QB’s to step up into the pocket.

htismaqe · 02-09-2021, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

And because there’s very little pass rush on the edges to force QB’s to step up into the pocket.

Yep.

htismaqe · 02-09-2021, 01:21 PM

He's the best DT in the league not named Aaron Donald.

Every other team in the league would kill to have Chris Jones and here we are...

ToxSocks · 02-09-2021, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He's the best DT in the league not named Aaron Donald.

Every other team in the league would kill to have Chris Jones and here we are...

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HC_Chief · 02-09-2021, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

His name is Willie Gay.

Hope is not a strategy. He took for freaking EVAR to crack the lineup, and showed a couple of flashes, but nothing consistent. To call him a playmaker now is severely premature.

I'm not saying we use our top draft pick on a LB. Nor should we sell out for a FA LB (if we had the cap space to begin with). Simply stating that LB is where we have a glaring weakness in this defense. We scheme to cover it up by running a base nickel. We have Sorenson playing a pseudolinebacker role. Sometimes Mathieu, but his primary role is rover. Dirty Dan is the closest we have to a playmaking LB right now. Maybe Gay will be the guy to actually BE a playmaking LB, but he's not yet proven that.

HC_Chief · 02-09-2021, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dude, how many times have you seen Kelce make a fool of even the best LB's?

Nobody can cover good TE's one on one, that's why they're good.

They just drafted Willie Gay. There's no reason to spend quality draft capital on a low value position.

We just watched Kelce vs a great LB. Kelce got his, because he is the best TE in the league, but he sure didn't make David, White, or Barrett look like fools.

Imagine having just one of those guys in our LB corps. With Jones up front and Mathieu & Sneed in the secondary. That's legit playmakers at all three levels.

htismaqe · 02-09-2021, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Hope is not a strategy. He took for freaking EVAR to crack the lineup, and showed a couple of flashes, but nothing consistent. To call him a playmaker now is severely premature.

I'm not saying we use our top draft pick on a LB. Nor should we sell out for a FA LB (if we had the cap space to begin with). Simply stating that LB is where we have a glaring weakness in this defense. We scheme to cover it up by running a base nickel. We have Sorenson playing a pseudolinebacker role. Sometimes Mathieu, but his primary role is rover. Dirty Dan is the closest we have to a playmaking LB right now. Maybe Gay will be the guy to actually BE a playmaking LB, but he's not yet proven that.

They run a base nickel because it's effective and because that's what Spags thinks works in this day and age.

They're not scheming to cover up a weakness at LB at all.

They run a base nickel because they want to.

htismaqe · 02-09-2021, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

We just watched Kelce vs a great LB. Kelce got his, because he is the best TE in the league, but he sure didn't make David, White, or Barrett look like fools.

Imagine having just one of those guys in our LB corps. With Jones up front and Mathieu & Sneed in the secondary. That's legit playmakers at all three levels.

When your QB is running for his life on every play, that creates favorable situations in coverage. It's as simple as that.

LB's just aren't that important. Certainly not worth investing high draft picks on.

staylor26 · 02-09-2021, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Hope is not a strategy. He took for freaking EVAR to crack the lineup, and showed a couple of flashes, but nothing consistent. To call him a playmaker now is severely premature.

I'm not saying we use our top draft pick on a LB. Nor should we sell out for a FA LB (if we had the cap space to begin with). Simply stating that LB is where we have a glaring weakness in this defense. We scheme to cover it up by running a base nickel. We have Sorenson playing a pseudolinebacker role. Sometimes Mathieu, but his primary role is rover. Dirty Dan is the closest we have to a playmaking LB right now. Maybe Gay will be the guy to actually BE a playmaking LB, but he's not yet proven that.

If you’re drafting a guy or signing a bargain bin free agent, that’s not hope as well?

There’s more reason for optimism with Willie Gay than those 2 options. He’s the total package in terms of size and athleticism, and he flashed every time he saw the field. LB is a very difficult position to learn in this defense, and Gay was already a bit raw coming out. When you combine that with the weird offseason and no preseason, it’s not surprising that Gay was essentially a red shirt.

They are going to unleash him next year and he’ll take a huge step.

Gary Cooper · 02-09-2021, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Well you're sure as **** not going to find them by not trying. Don't give me that crap. Damn near every great player on this roster aside from Mahomes was a 2nd rounder or later....

We can find a Sneed in the 4th but im suppose to think they CAN'T find an edge in the bttm 1st? C'mon now.

And where did I say they shouldn't try? Point is, they've tried and haven't evaluated well at that position. Not like they're not trying. They even paid a crap load of money to Frank Clark and gave up draft picks. They understand the importance of the position.

As for Mahomes, who you mentioned, remember they traded up for him. I don't know if they'll want to move up to get an edge rusher. Not the same thing unless it's almost a sure thing like Mahomes was with Veach.

staylor26 · 02-09-2021, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JudasRising20

And where did I say they shouldn't try? Point is, they've tried and haven't evaluated well at that position. They moved up to get Mahomes. I don't know if they'll want to move up to get an edge rusher. Not the same thing unless it's almost a sure thing like Mahomes was with Veach.

They don’t have to ****ing move up to get an edge rusher.

Jaelan Phillips, Jayson Oweh, Azeez Ojulari, and Joseph Ossai are all great prospects that could realistically be available at 31.

Then you have guys like Ronnie Perskins, Patrick Jones, Carlos Basham, Joe Tryon, and Quincy Roche on day 2.

This class is loaded at edge rusher. This idea that you can only find edge rushers in the top 10 is stupid.

ToxSocks · 02-09-2021, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JudasRising20

And where did I say they shouldn't try? Point is, they've tried and haven't evaluated well at that position. Not like they're not trying. They even paid a crap load of money to Frank Clark and gave up draft picks. They understand the importance of the position.

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Keep trying.

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