***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

KS has tested 3x as many people as MO.

KS: Total tests= 3,037: 168 positive/2,869 negative

MO: Total tests= 871: 502 positive/369 negative

Edit: Link to the data--https://covidtracking.com/data/#MO

This isn't accurate.

I didn't check last night, but the drive through testing center at the University of Missouri alone had tested over 1300 people as of Wednesday night and their capacity had been trending towards 500/day. I'm guessing with tests administered at the hospital itself, MU has conducted nearly 2,000 tests in the last week or so.

It's possible that they're only tracking CDC tests rather than those processedt rhough private labs, but I can get real time updates through the university. When Columbia, Mo has done 2-3 times as many tests as that website says the entire state of Missouri has done, you know they're doing something incorrectly.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by wazu

I love that it got a thumbs down. His stepmother's mom must have found the post.

No kidding

[notorious]

Maybe Oak IS his stepmother.

[Frazod]

My mother-in-law was the same way - she'd panic over pretty much anything at the drop of a hat. She passed a couple of years ago. I don't even want to think about what an absolute basket case she'd be right now were she still alive. She'd probably make OH seem reasonable and sane by comparison.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by wazu

I love that it got a thumbs down. His stepmother's mom must have found the post.

More like the unhinged idiots did. And I'm pretty sure who did the second one.

When I repped the poster, I said there are people posting that stuff in fear, and people posting that stuff because they are ravishing this. You can tell the difference between the two.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by mililo4cpa

When I was 15, my dad and stepmother went out of town. As I only had a learners permit to drive at the time, my step-mom's mother would come over and would be the adult in the car so I could drive. The moment I started the car the first time we were going out to drive, she immediately got nervous and started screeching orders (BE CAREFUL, OMG!, SLOW DOWN, MAKE A FULL STOP...etc.). It was very easy to tell that she had an unhealthy fear of driving in the car, and me being a punk kid at the time made the situation worse).

At this time, I lived in farm country, so literally no traffic until you jumped on a small highway to go into town. The speed limit at the time was 60, but this lady was so paranoid, we didn't get above 45 mph...of course she really freaked out by the time we got to our small town and there was actual traffic....

In reflection, that may have been the most dangerous car ride I ever took....going 45 on a highway, getting barked at every turn, etc. was very nerve racking for me, and certainly took away my attention to what was going on around me (kind of like screaming "FIRE" in a crowded room)

My point in all of this: You seem like a good person, and I assume that you are not trolling (you may very well be)....but for me, whenever I see you post, all I hear is my step-mom's mom screeching panic and death in a situation that really calls for calm, clear heads to prevail.

This pandemic is certainly bad, but it's not the end of us all. We all are impacted, but to allow this to be in your head, and only looking at the negative aspects as some sort of doom / gloom situation is foolish. I don't put stock in anyone saving me, or that I'm any more or less susceptible to this thing as anyone else. But I'll be damned if I'm going to stress out of every bit of negative news that comes across, and you shouldn't either. Most of us realize the scope and depth of this thing, and are doing all we can to protect ourselves, our loved ones, and others around us. To constantly screech doom, gloom, and death really makes people not listen to your message. Just my $0.02

Good shit. You don't want to panic but you don't want to be callous either. Middle ground is where it is at.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This isn't accurate.

I didn't check last night, but the drive through testing center at the University of Missouri alone had tested over 1300 people as of Wednesday night and their capacity had been trending towards 500/day. I'm guessing with tests administered at the hospital itself, MU has conducted nearly 2,000 tests in the last week or so.

It's possible that they're only tracking CDC tests rather than those processedt rhough private labs, but I can get real time updates through the university. When Columbia, Mo has done 2-3 times as many tests as that website says the entire state of Missouri has done, you know they're doing something incorrectly.

They are pulling that data from MO DHSS. I don't think MO is reporting tests that are negative or have taken just positive only. Because MO....

https://health.mo.gov/living/healthc...us/results.php

[Spott]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Are the payments taxable income?
No. They won’t be considered as income.

Will the amount that someone is paid now just be reduced from their 2020 tax returns?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Spott

Will the amount that someone is paid now just be reduced from their 2020 tax returns?

The answer is technically a bit complicated, but the simple answer is no - you won't be taxed on the check in any way.

(Technically, you're getting an advance on a tax credit, so you won't receive the credit next year because you've already received it. But you wouldn't have gotten the credit without the stimulus bill, so you're not losing money in any way.)

[Discuss Thrower]

... the House should not pass this stimulus bill.

It's effects aren't going to be material quick enough to do any good..

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

... the House should not pass this stimulus bill.

It's effects aren't going to be material quick enough to do any good..

Like that is going to happen...

[petegz28]

Recoveries have jumped to 65% of all closed cases

2 -3 days ago they were 30%-35%

Not seeing much of the media talking about that

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Recoveries have jumped to 65% of all closed cases

2 -3 days ago they were 30%-35%

Not seeing much of the media talking about that

My reaction is as it's been for a while - this kind of analysis is largely useless given how wonky the numbers are, so I don't see why anyone would write an article about it.

Of course, they write articles on the scary-sounding numbers that are equally useless, so your point is valid.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Like that is going to happen...

There is no way for local policing forces to enforce evictions all at once which is what we're looking at with the stimulus anyway.

F500 companies will be fine. They don't need a short term bailout.

There is entirely too much pork barrel bullshit in the current stimulus bill. Tell the Federal Reserve to keep the spigot on and banks will loan to the businesses that deserve it.

Those that don't? Then they weren't sustainable and are going to fail anyway.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

There is no way for local policing forces to enforce evictions all at once which is what we're looking at with the stimulus anyway.

F500 companies will be fine. They don't need a short term bailout.

There is entirely too much pork barrel bullshit in the current stimulus bill. Tell the Federal Reserve to keep the spigot on and banks will loan to the businesses that deserve it.

Those that don't? Then they weren't sustainable and are going to fail anyway.

Any further discussion on this should be taken to DC. Mmmkay?