The 49ers have expressed to others that a deal for QB Alex Smith is effectively DONE

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Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora

The 49ers have expressed to others that a deal for QB Alex Smith is effectively complete. Can't be finalized til league year begins 3/12


Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora

so it's not official, both clubs view it at as it's effectively done. I do not know the other team. KC and JAX are 2 teams that make sense

[Chiefs=Champions]

Originally Posted by suds79

Isn't the going rate based on history that trading for a starting QB costs at least a 2nd?

I said 3rd.

Im not sure the niners have any leverage. In fact too me all this rumor shit is them trying to drive up some interest or price.

[RunKC]

And for the record, Alex Smith is better than Matt Cassel. He's won a playoff game and played well against good teams while Cassel pissed his pants in big games.

But he isn't THAT much better than him at all.

If Cassel was a 4/10, Smith would be a 5/10.

But that's not what anyone wants. We want to draft a mother****ing QB that has the potential to be at least an 8/10.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

And for the record, Alex Smith is better than Matt Cassel. He's won a playoff game and played well against good teams while Cassel pissed his pants in big games.

But he isn't THAT much better than him at all.

If Cassel was a 4/10, Smith would be a 5/10.

But that's not what anyone wants. We want to draft a mother****ing QB that has the potential to be at least an 8/10.

Well said.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

No one wanted Alex Smith when he was a free agent last year. What makes you think he would cost so much? I would much prefer to Draft Geno and play him straight away, but its not crazy to think they could do both. It actually makes quite a bit of sense.

IF GOD CREATED MAN THEN EVOLUTION IS IMPOSSIBLE

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by RunKC

And for the record, Alex Smith is better than Matt Cassel. He's won a playoff game and played well against good teams while Cassel pissed his pants in big games.

But he isn't THAT much better than him at all.

If Cassel was a 4/10, Smith would be a 5/10.

But that's not what anyone wants. We want to draft a mother****ing QB that has the potential to be at least an 8/10.

That's a fair assessment.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by RunKC

And for the record, Alex Smith is better than Matt Cassel. He's won a playoff game and played well against good teams while Cassel pissed his pants in big games.

But he isn't THAT much better than him at all.

If Cassel was a 4/10, Smith would be a 5/10.

But that's not what anyone wants. We want to draft a mother****ing QB that has the potential to be at least an 8/10.

Excellent post.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I'll bet if I dug hard enough I could find a post from you saying Matt Cassel's ceiling was Trent Green back in 2009. They're the same dude. One had much better coaching, and much better talent surrounding him the last couple of years.

Not sure. I may have talked myself into Matt Cassel back then, but I don't remember. I also chastised a lot of members for bashing Pioli before the Chiefs even played a game in 2009. I've learned from those mistakes.

We had little film on Cassel. He played a good 5 game stretch to end the year in New England out of the spread offense.

I've seen Alex Smith the last two years...he has better mechanics, he has great short accuracy, and he has good mobility and his pocket awareness has improved since Harbaugh became his coach.

Andy Reid is also good with QB's.

It's ridiculous. Alex Smith was the #1 overall pick for a reason. He has talent. He always had talent. His shoulder injury limits his arm strength now no doubt. He is better than Matt ****ing Cassel.

and again, you guys are all acting that, since I'M BEING OBJECTIVE, I'm advocating Alex Smith as our franchise QB.

That couldn't be further than the truth. I want Geno as much as anyone. It's time for our franchise to get an enema and Alex Smith is just the same old shit that simply doesn't excite me in the least.

I'm just not going to slit my wrists and cry about something that

A) hasn't happened and
B) doesn't mean anything since we all knew we needed two QB's to begin with

so if the deal does go down and we trade a conditional 4th for Alex and then take Geno #1 then I think that is an absolute INCREDIBLE win for KC and for Dorsey/Reid/the fans

but if it's Smith/Joeckel then the new regime has a full count already and if we don't make the playoffs/win a game/and show we are primed for some sort of run in the future with Alex Smith as our QB1 then sign me up for the next regime change, thank you

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by milkman

He converted 1 of 13 third down attempts in that game.
That single conversion was a meaningless one at the end of the first half.

He did exactly what he does.
He managed the game, and didn't lose it for them by making poor throws and bad decisions.

Meanwhile, Eli made 3 big plays that gave the Giants the win.

Eli passed the ball 58 times in that game. but let's get back to your point on Alex Smith not being able to win playoff games against good QB/teams. It's bullshit. You say he did not make "one play" yet he threw two TD's against Eli & that NYG Defense. He beat Drew Brees the week before, he can win big games against good QB's. He's no Peyton Manning, but then, I never overstated it like that.

Alex Smith is a lot better than Matty Cackle. Your sister is too.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm just not sure you can pidgeon-hole Reid and Dorsey.

Seems to me like this is a wildcard offseason.

That's fair, and I think there is a chance of that happening.

But if we trade for Alex Smith and don't draft a top QB from this class to develop, I'm not supporting this regime this year.

That would be the breaking point for me.

[Hootie]

if we are doing a 1-10 comparison

Cassel is, at very best, a 2 (he's mobile)

Smith would be a 6.5

I think we could get Smith all the way up to a 7 with the confidence he has from Harbaugh and with the production Reid gets out of his QB's.

Aaron Rodgers is a 10.

Geno Smith has the potential to be a 10. A. Smith doesn't.

So draft ****ing Geno and be done with it. If you want to trade a conditional 4th for Alex I'm ok with that. I think 4th-7th round picks are crapshoots and about as valuable as getting lucky with UDFA. I have no issue with trading these picks...ever.

The funniest thing I can remember on this board is people going APE SHIT because Pioli traded a future 7th to move back into the 7th and take Jake O'Connell. People were LIVID because we traded a future 7th round pick to take a shitty ass player...

and in all honesty, as much as we all hate O'Connell and as worthless as we all think he is...for a 7th round pick to be on the roster for 4 years?!?!? O'Connell was one of Pioli's best picks! Hahahaha.

[Frosty]

I've said before that I never want to see Cassel take another snap for the Chiefs, even in the preseason. However, I would rather keep Cassel (at a reduced cost) than spend a draft pick on Alex Smith if they are just looking for a mentor (neither would be my first choice). This is a deep draft and a high 4th has a good chance of netting a decent player.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I've said before that I never want to see Cassel take another snap for the Chiefs, even in the preseason. However, I would rather keep Cassel (at a reduced cost) than spend a draft pick on Alex Smith if they are just looking for a mentor (neither would be my first choice). This is a deep draft and a high 4th has a good chance of netting a decent player.

Jesus.....

[Hootie]

go count the non special teams pro bowlers from the last 5 drafts that were selected after the 4th round NOT COUNTING UDFA...

wait, I'll do it

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

go count the non special teams pro bowlers from the last 5 drafts that were selected after the 4th round NOT COUNTING UDFA...

wait, I'll do it

I'm not talking about other drafts, just this one. It's universally been described as a very deep draft with no really elite talent. With the 2nd pick in the 4th, it's nearly another 3rd.

[Hootie]

2007
Paul Soliai
Jermon Bushron
Dashon Goldson
Le'Ron McClain (FB)
Nick Folk (K)
2008
Jerome Felton (FB)
Carl Nicks
2009
Henry Melton
Johnny Knox (I think special teams here but he played offense too)
Thomas Morstead (P)
2010
Aaron Hernandez
Geno Atkins
Kam Chancellor
Antonio Brown
2011
2012

IN SHORT, CARL NICKS AND JERMON BUSHROD WERE GREAT VALUE PICKS. I LIKE AARON HERNANDEZ, KAM CHANCELLOR AND ANTONIO BROWN, TOO.

BUT THESE ARE 4 WHOLE ROUNDS OF PICKS OVER 5 FULL YEARS OF DRAFTING AND NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PRIME TIME PLAYERS COMING FROM THESE ROUNDS, AND IF YOU GET ONE, YOU LITERALLY STRIKE GOLD.

So trading a 4th round pick, or a 5th round pick for ANY established player is usually a win, and at worst, not much of a risk AT ALL.