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Old 10-06-2019, 09:16 PM  
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Good job with the interior line bud. Keep spending all our resources on overpaid defensive players and draft picks who dont do shit
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:04 PM   #31
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:06 PM   #32
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He's had 2.5 offseasons and 2 drafts and he still can't get the run d straightened out.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:07 PM   #33
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This thing is going to come crumbling down in a few years.

Veach hasn’t infused the organization with ANY new talent. And once the Dorsey guys start to age or leave via free agency then we’re going to be in big big trouble.

Mahomes can’t do it by himself and Veach is quickly showing himself incapable of getting him any help.
10000%.

We are going to turn Mahomes into the next Marino if he gets stuck here. No question.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:17 PM   #34
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Has Veach's drafting since supported that rumor?

On the other hand, Dorsey turned around the worse franchise in the NFL in a single year. Even if Cleveland isn't the super bowl contender people say they still went from a total abomination to a playoff contender is a single season. People have been trying to turn Cleveland around for decades without success and Dorsey did it without breaking a sweat.
Has he? He's created a lot of hype but the Browns haven't done anything yet. Baker is good but is he championship good? Is Kitchens a legit championship coach? They've been really undisciplined this year, but they have some talent and a lot of hype.

Meanwhile Ballard took over a trainwreck Ryan Grigson left behind, and has turned them into a playoff team with the best offensive line in football, a talented group of RBs and young talent all over the defense. Look at all the guys who were missing tonight and still they had depth to step up and whip our offense.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:18 PM   #35
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Has he? He's created a lot of hype but the Browns haven't done anything yet. Baker is good but is he championship good? Is Kitchens a legit championship coach? They've been really undisciplined this year, but they have some talent and a lot of hype.

Meanwhile Ballard took over a trainwreck Ryan Grigson left behind, and has turned them into a playoff team with the best offensive line in football, a talented group of RBs and young talent all over the defense. Look at all the guys who were missing tonight and still they had depth to step up and whip our offense.
Chief Fan would lose their mind if we took Oline with a top pick.
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Has he? He's created a lot of hype but the Browns haven't done anything yet. Baker is good but is he championship good? Is Kitchens a legit championship coach? They've been really undisciplined this year, but they have some talent and a lot of hype.

Meanwhile Ballard took over a trainwreck Ryan Grigson left behind, and has turned them into a playoff team with the best offensive line in football, a talented group of RBs and young talent all over the defense. Look at all the guys who were missing tonight and still they had depth to step up and whip our offense.
Dude they were 0-16 2 years ago and have won 9 games so far. He absolutely improved the team and theres no debating that.

When he was unjustly fired we suspected it was because of his idiotic contracts. Veach had him hold his beer and added draft picks into the equation.

Ballard's banged up roster put the clown shoes on him tonight. It's a bad look when you traded your best corner and 2 years later still dont have a replacement, cut your best pass rusher only to pay a guy who's been less productive to pay him more AND trade a first round draft pick.

This should be a wake up call to all the rumor mongering idiots who want to give up 2 first for a CB. You arent going to trade your way to a championship. You have to build through the draft. Veach to this point hasnt illustrated that he can do that.
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10000%.

We are going to turn Mahomes into the next Marino if he gets stuck here. No question.
Your worst nightmare: former Chiefs guy is now Colts GM and building their OL/defense the right way. Indy has a game manager QB on a 2 year contract. They could grab Mahomes when the time comes.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:26 PM   #39
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Dude they were 0-16 2 years ago and have won 9 games so far. He absolutely improved the team and theres no debating that.

When he was unjustly fired we suspected it was because of his idiotic contracts. Veach had him hold his beer and added draft picks into the equation.

Ballard's banged up roster put the clown shoes on him tonight. It's a bad look when you traded your best corner and 2 years later still dont have a replacement, cut your best pass rusher only to pay a guy who's been less productive to pay him more AND trade a first round draft pick.

This should be a wake up call to all the rumor mongering idiots who want to give up 2 first for a CB. You arent going to trade your way to a championship. You have to build through the draft. Veach to this point hasnt illustrated that he can do that.
Ballard is miles better than Veach and Dorsey
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:27 PM   #40
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Everyone keeps comparing him to Dorsey and completely overlooking Chris Ballard right in the face. Ballard has used the draft to load up the Colts up and down the roster with talent and depth. They had a ton of Ballard draft picks and acquisitions out there tonight.
Colts wouldnt have won if not for the refs. Let's not pretend their a good team. Even their own fans thought we would stomp them due to their lack of talent.
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Ballard is miles better than Veach and Dorsey
Hes done a hell of a job building his team so has Dorsey. Veach added a few pieces but overall has done much worse at drafting.
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A genius plan to get Mahomes to take less money. So the team gets better players!
I have heard from someone very close to Patrick that he’s 100% not taking a hometown discount.

$40m/yr.

He’s probably worth more but unfortunately with the way the NFL cap works, it will mean he’ll be surrounded by less talent than if he’s underpaid.

I would draft D and OL heavy to protect my QB going forward.
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Not to defend Veach, but Ballard and Dorsey have also had top 10 picks to jump start their teams.
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Not to defend Veach, but Ballard and Dorsey have also had top 10 picks to jump start their teams.
Yeah but he got Jones in the 2nd despite picking in the bottom of the first, Hill in the 6th? And Kelce was a third round pick.

Veach hasnt drafted 1 impact player
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Has he? He's created a lot of hype but the Browns haven't done anything yet. Baker is good but is he championship good? Is Kitchens a legit championship coach? They've been really undisciplined this year, but they have some talent and a lot of hype.

Meanwhile Ballard took over a trainwreck Ryan Grigson left behind, and has turned them into a playoff team with the best offensive line in football, a talented group of RBs and young talent all over the defense. Look at all the guys who were missing tonight and still they had depth to step up and whip our offense.
I address that. Cleveland is hyped too much but they are still a playoff contender. Dorsey turned them into a team that is good enough to be overhyped which is a huge change from the disaster they've been for the last 20 years.

I think Dorsey needs to draft another QB in a few of years. Mayfield is a scatterbrain.
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