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Old 10-16-2019, 12:37 PM  
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Let’s revisit Chris Jones
Okay, so we know this guy wants Frank Clark money. We wanted him to take Fletcher Cox money.

It’s a contract year from him and here is what he has done through about half the season:

2 sacks
8 tackles
2 TFL
7 QB hits

He’s hurt again, which I believe is his 3rd injury since being here. Fortunately none of them are major.

So, do you try to resign this guy for Fletcher Cox money ($18 million AAV-cap rise means more due to %) or do you trade him?

If you want to trade him, what do you expect his market to be if he only gets 4 sacks this season?
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Old 10-16-2019, 02:39 PM   #31
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Terez said the cap money we have is earmarked for Jones. Veach has said re-signing CJ95 is a priority. The salary cap is going to completely explode over the next 5 years. The only reason Jones isn’t here next year is if we get a crazy deal for him or he comes back after injury ineffective
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Old 10-16-2019, 02:47 PM   #32
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I'd like to keep Jones, but if you can get a 1st and a 2nd in 2020 for him that's pretty tempting.
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Old 10-16-2019, 03:02 PM   #33
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Tag and trade him. He has a Justin Houston feel to him.
You mean he'll buttrape us on a Sunday night game after we get rid of him?
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Old 10-16-2019, 03:03 PM   #34
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He won’t play on the tag.
That would be his option of course, but no one knows that for sure.
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Old 10-16-2019, 03:09 PM   #35
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:13 PM   #36
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The Clark deal looks terrible, but one could argue that Spags is not using him to the best of his ability. This guy was good in Seattle. He and Jones on the line should have been a recipe for havoc, but somehow it hasnt been.

That said, Jones is the best Dt In the league not named Aaron Donald. You have to keep him.

If anyone goes, it has to be Spagnuolo for not getting production out of talented players.

Even Honey Badger has looked pretty unspectacular in Spags' scheme.

Its one of the main reasons our D is so frustrating, because even our best players look like shit.
They’re still learning the scheme. Clark has been 1v1 76% of the time and hasn’t done shit. That’s not on spags
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:25 PM   #37
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First 2 weeks - the defense is improved, if we trade for a corner we will win the Super Bowl.

Last 2 weeks - fire everyone. They all suck.
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:29 PM   #38
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Here's the problem, 11-no name guys that can play isn't a thing. That's not real. It's pure fiction.

When you put 11- no name guys on a defense you get a really, really shitty defense more often than not.

Right now you are witnessing a defense with 9-no name guys who everyone here was piping all off-season as being "good enough".

When you have talent you do your best to maintain those guys and you build around them. When you completely nuke a roster and start from scratch with a bunch of JAGS you get the 2019 Chiefs defense.
I know nobody can replicate what the cheatriots can do, but they can do it. I know they paid Mayo a ton and some other guys got paid, but typically they fill out the roster with dudes that don't make that much money.

For my money, give me Hussain Abdullah instead of Eric Berry. Berry was the better player, but the production per unit salary cap was better for Abdullah.
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:35 PM   #39
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Tag and trade him. He has a Justin Houston feel to him.
This is where I’m at, at the moment

While you’d hate to lose the raw talent, we need to see a new level of dedication and coachability before ponying up top money
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First 2 weeks - the defense is improved, if we trade for a corner we will win the Super Bowl.

Last 2 weeks - fire everyone. They all suck.
Planet is so ****ing myopic.

I, for one, am glad for Steady Andy.
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No... Jones wants Aaron Donald money
That would be great if he was actually in Aaron Donald's level of talent. NOBODY in the entire NFL is even close to Donald's level. Unlike our $20 million DE, Donald isn't stopped by just one man unless he's playing hurt. Chris Jones is a great athlete who I feel is abandoning his assignment to get into the backfield to get "his sack" to raise his asking price. But, in no way, shape, or form is he worth Donald's contract. If that's the only way he stay's here, trade him and bring in guys who know how to fundamentally tackle and don't give a rat's ass about individual stats.
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Old 10-17-2019, 11:05 AM   #42
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Here's the problem, 11-no name guys that can play isn't a thing. That's not real. It's pure fiction.

When you put 11- no name guys on a defense you get a really, really shitty defense more often than not.

Right now you are witnessing a defense with 9-no name guys who everyone here was piping all off-season as being "good enough".

When you have talent you do your best to maintain those guys and you build around them. When you completely nuke a roster and start from scratch with a bunch of JAGS you get the 2019 Chiefs defense.
Something to think about Detox. “No name guys” or unproven guys have been performing better than the highly paid. Not all have been great but a lot have performed well.

Damien Williams (last season and this season)
Byron Pringle
Juan Thornhill
Mecole Hardman
Charvarious Ward
Emmanuel Ogbah
Tanoh Kpassagnon

Martinas Rankin is TBD but he did look good in his first game.

Need to see an influx of these guys being brought in.
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Something to think about Detox. “No name guys” or unproven guys have been performing better than the highly paid. Not all have been great but a lot have performed well.

Damien Williams (last season and this season)
Byron Pringle
Juan Thornhill
Mecole Hardman
Charvarious Ward
Emmanuel Ogbah
Tanoh Kpassagnon

Martinas Rankin is TBD but he did look good in his first game.

Need to see an influx of these guys being brought in.
Darrel Williams too!! Veach has gotten more production from his 2018 UDFA then he has his entire 2018 draft class
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