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Old 12-02-2019, 10:07 AM  
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Have we reached critical mass with Reiter and/or Wylie?

Because those guys were getting mauled. There were a half dozen plays yesterday that simply died at the snap because Reiter and Wylie were immediately pushed into the backfield.

It isn't just about losing a snap, it's about how they're losing theirs (and how quickly). The best you can hope from either of them, especially in the run game, is a draw.

Wisniewski has looked good out there. At the very least, he seems stout at the point of attack. Don't we have to give the guy a look there? As the weather turns and the playoffs arrive, we're gonna HAVE to be able to convert some of these short yardage situations without these long-developing crossers from Hill or the inside screens that teams are largely prepared for now.

I just can't handle watching those two guys get abused anymore. I can handle LDT's mediocre play because at least he's not getting beat immediately and badly. He's not blowing guys off the ball, but he's generally holding his own. But Reiter and Wylie are playing poorly enough that they're smothering some of these plays in the cradle. It's just completely unacceptable.
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Old 12-02-2019, 10:11 AM   #2
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I really believe that Wiley wouldn't have gotten his starting job back if Rankin hadn't gone on IR. But since that happened, we're kinda stuck there. Wisneski has been practicing at center and was studying the all 22 on the sideline last night. It appears that they are about to make that move..
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Old 12-02-2019, 10:11 AM   #3
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while I agree... good to keep in mind that the Raiders Dline is very good.
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Old 12-02-2019, 10:12 AM   #4
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I have no idea why they keep playing Wylie. He isn't good at anything.
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Old 12-02-2019, 10:14 AM   #5
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Wis shouldíve already been playing. Now Iím worried he never will.

Iíd plug him in at LG where he doesnít have to worry about snapping the ball and can do more to help in pass protection.
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Old 12-02-2019, 10:14 AM   #6
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Old 12-02-2019, 10:16 AM   #7
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Put Erving at G. Put Wisnewski at C. Make good with Allen.
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Old 12-02-2019, 10:16 AM   #8
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while I agree... good to keep in mind that the Raiders Dline is very good.
Which is why I'm not asking for pancakes here. I understand that the Raiders D-line is solid ('very good' is a bridge too far, though).

I'm not looking for Reiter to go out there and drive guys 8 yards backwards. I'm simply looking for a guy who doesn't lunge at the snap, get put on skates and driven backwards into the ballcarrier as he's taking the hand off.

It's the ol' Rex Grossman thing. And Eli Manning actually said it best, IIRC: "When I'm bad, I can't be THAT bad". The killer with mediocre options isn't that they don't have truly stellar plays - it's that they DESTROY plays on their own at times.

You give me a 'meh' player who simply plays 'meh' every snap and I'll live with that. But you take a guy like Reiter who's never going to have standout snaps and who also mixes in a fair number of snaps where he's less effective than a blocking sled - well that just can't stand.

You can have snaps where you aren't great - but don't have that many snaps where you're the cause of a complete collapse. Especially if you can't somewhat offset it by blowing open holes on occasion. If we can't trust you to clearly win a bunch of snaps, we can't have you clearly losing them either.
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Old 12-02-2019, 10:17 AM   #9
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Old 12-02-2019, 10:27 AM   #10
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I donít feel panic about it bc Rankin was arguably the best LG in the Andy Reid era and heíll be back next year, but man C is a big problem.

I like Reiter and Wylie, but not as starters. If they are back next year as depth, then thatís fine by me, but holy shit are they not long term options.

It is embarrassing that we could not get about a first down on short yardage. Two shots to get less than a yard should be a win for any team at this level.

Actually it wasnít even a yard. It was half a yard and we couldnít get that in 2 tries.

That is infuriating
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They need some big maulers inside. LDT and Wylie aren't that. LDT needs to go do his DR thing I guess.

I'm also not sure why we insist on this type of run blocking. Just zone block everything and be done iwht it.
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Old 12-02-2019, 10:34 AM   #12
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I donít feel panic about it bc Rankin was arguably the best LG in the Andy Reid era and heíll be back next year, but man C is a big problem.

I like Reiter and Wylie, but not as starters. If they are back next year as depth, then thatís fine by me, but holy shit are they not long term options.

It is embarrassing that we could not get about a first down on short yardage. Two shots to get less than a yard should be a win for any team at this level.

Actually it wasnít even a yard. It was half a yard and we couldnít get that in 2 tries.

That is infuriating

I would not mind drafting a top center with our 1st round pick.
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Old 12-02-2019, 10:38 AM   #13
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Whatever it takes. But they’ve got to get better linemen in there to protect the franchise.
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Old 12-02-2019, 10:54 AM   #14
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Wis shouldíve already been playing. Now Iím worried he never will.

Iíd plug him in at LG where he doesnít have to worry about snapping the ball and can do more to help in pass protection.
My thought too. Not good at snapping the ball. Maybe something that's been fixed with experience and reps. I hope.
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