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Best22 · 07:50 AM

For me, it's easy.

The only NFL franchise with fewer Conference Championship appearances is the Houston Texans (est. 2002). The Chiefs and Lions are tied with 1 (and the Lions are a pure garbage franchise with 1 playoff victory since 1958 and a host of other embarrassment, only franchise in NFL that is clearly inferior to the Chiefs)

Here's why it hurts. With Superbowl wins, well, you have around 30 teams, and the game has only been around since 1966. With our SB IV trophy, we are still on track for one every 32 years. Okay then. I don't see that as a proper way to show the Chiefs incompetence as a franchise

But the AFCCG. There are 16 AFC teams. That means 1 of 8 teams play in it. So, mathematically, we should be there once every 8 years. Instead, for KC it has been once every 48 years. That's what bothers me the most about this franchise. Chargers have been there 4 times. Donks and Faiders, lol, I ain't counting all that

So get a team that is actually capable of winning big in the playoffs and maybe just maybe we will appear in that game once again...

BWillie · 01-22-2018, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Best22

For me, it's easy.

The only NFL franchise with fewer Conference Championship appearances is the Houston Texans (est. 2002). The Chiefs and Lions are tied with 1 (and the Lions are a pure garbage franchise with 1 playoff victory since 1958 and a host of other embarrassment, only franchise in NFL that is clearly inferior to the Chiefs)

Here's why it hurts. With Superbowl wins, well, you have around 30 teams, and the game has only been around since 1966. With our SB IV trophy, we are still on track for one every 32 years. Okay then. I don't see that as a proper way to show the Chiefs incompetence as a franchise

But the AFCCG. There are 16 AFC teams. That means 1 of 8 teams play in it. So, mathematically, we should be there once every 8 years. Instead, for KC it has been once every 48 years. That's what bothers me the most about this franchise. Chargers have been there 4 times. Donks and Faiders, lol, I ain't counting all that

So get a team that is actually capable of winning big in the playoffs and maybe just maybe we will appear in that game once again...

I don't actually blame anyone on the Chiefs this year. They just got so unbelievably unlucky it is unfathomable.

1) Best player gets concussed in 2nd quarter. Out for game.
2) Opponent catches his own TD pass.
3) TWO botched fumble recoveries, that were ACTUALLY fumbles. One of them was even blown dead that would have went for a TD.

Only thing you can really blame is lack of Alex Smith's playmaking ability to go down the field on the last possession to win the game, and that is a reach.

redfan · 01-22-2018, 12:53 PM

That ownership, despite saying they are committed to winning, are not committed to winning. Would the Rooneys or Krafts of the NFL be satisfied with this season? Hell, Pitt fired their OC after a great year! What happened in KC? Pats on the back for mediocrity, yay!!

bigjosh · 01-22-2018, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by redhed

That ownership, despite saying they are committed to winning, are not committed to winning. Would the Rooneys or Krafts of the NFL be satisfied with this season? Hell, Pitt fired their OC after a great year! What happened in KC? Pats on the back for mediocrity, yay!!

I hate when people say that Clark isn't invested or doesn't care.

The guy has gone out and got the highest profile GM available, then when that failed he got the highest profile coach. After 4 straight winning seasons, he fired his GM because he was unhappy with the way certain aspects of the personnel department were working.

To say that Clark is "okay with mediocrity" is kind of a slap in his face. The guy is putting the money down and getting the guys to get this team where it needs to be.

RunKC · 01-22-2018, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The fact that it takes a 2-14/rock bottom type season for Clark Hunt to hold people accountable and make necessary changes.

I had hopes that the decision to fire John Dorsey would be a sign that the Chiefs were breaking from this historical tendency, but the fact that Andy Reid has not fired (or has been forced to fire by Clark) a single assistant coach after the latest playoff collapse, shows the lack of accountability continues at One Arrowhead Drive.

Please name all of these teams that do what you want the Chiefs to do.

**Easy 6** · 01-22-2018, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjosh

I hate when people say that Clark isn't invested or doesn't care.

The guy has gone out and got the highest profile GM available, then when that failed he got the highest profile coach. After 4 straight winning seasons, he fired his GM because he was unhappy with the way certain aspects of the personnel department were working.

To say that Clark is "okay with mediocrity" is kind of a slap in his face. The guy is putting the money down and getting the guys to get this team where it needs to be.

I'm with you 90%, the other 10% goes to him not forcing Reids hand on Sutton, and other potential coaching changes

On the other hand, Clark isnt the football man... its REIDS job to know when a change is needed

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-22-2018, 01:26 PM

What bothers me most? Ownership.

Lamar Hunt founded the AFL and hired a brilliant mind in Hank Stram. The Chiefs appeared in the first Super Bowl and won the 4th Super Bowl. But it seems like winning that Super Bowl mellowed Hunt's passion for a winner.

He fired Hank Stram, allowed the roster to become old and hired two uninspired head coaches in Paul Wiggin and Tom Bettis. He finally decided to go back to his roots and hire Marv Levy, he fired him just as he was turning the team around (and admitted later that it was his biggest mistake). He allowed a young Bill Polian to leave the front office but at least hired another young, innovative coach in John Mackovic, drafted a QB, only to fire Mackovic after the Chiefs first playoff appearance in 15 years.

After the brief Frank Gansz debacle, in which Nick Lowery led a player revolt, Hunt began to "Play It Safe", first by hiring Carl Peterson, then Marty Schottenheimer. The next 15 years, the Chiefs "played it safe" by hiring Gunther Cunningham, Dick Vermiel, Herm Edwards, Romeo Crennel and Andy Reid. Todd Haley was the only "inspired" hire but anyone with a ****ing brain could see from his time in Arizona that he was a ticking time bomb and in no way, shape or form had the mental makeup to be a head coach.

So, as the Chiefs traded for yet another veteran QB, while watching former coaches reach the Super Bowl (Cowher was the first, now Pederson), the franchise is a mess, the roster, even after 5 full years of Reid and Dorsey, is chock full of holes, leaving overpaid and old veterans with more than $80 million in Dead Cap money accrued during Dorsey's tenure, the Chiefs are at a standstill, once again.

With a Playoff Franchise Record of 9-18, 4 losses of which have come during Andy Reid's tenure, this team is once again stuck in neutral and has nowhere near a championship level defense in order to make a serious Super Bowl Run.

I have zero hope and zero expectations that any of that changes in the next 5 years and based on the last 50, it'll likely never, ever change.

RunKC · 01-22-2018, 01:45 PM

Damn Dane that’s pretty scathing, although it’s easy to admit that the Chiefs were a tire fire in the 70’s and 80’s.

In the last 32 years, this has been the AFC rep in the SB:

John Elway 5X
Boomer Esiason
Jim Kelly 4X
Stan Humphries
Neil O’Donnell
Drew Bledsoe
Steve McNair
Trent Dilfer
Rich Gannon
Tom Brady 8X
Joe Flacco
Peyton Manning 4X
Big Ben 3X

It’s a QB league, and hopefully we finally have ours. We’ve proven we have a good enough team many times before, including last season.

Leagues are dominated by special QB’s that have been guided by good coaches/GM’s.

I really do believe that if Pat is that guy, we could have a shot after the Brady dynasty.

Eleazar · 01-22-2018, 01:46 PM

Ownership complacency

As I posted in another thread, New England has an engaged owner who is passionate about the team and has made two head coaching hires, both of whom went on to win Super Bowls later (though one with another team).

Carroll was making postseason appearances but the team had regressed and Kraft wasn't satisfied with playoff appearances. He made a great hire in Belichick and it lead to two decades of success.

The Chiefs are the Chiefs because over the last 50 years, the Hunts have never made a hire like that.

FloridaMan88 · 01-22-2018, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Please name all of these teams that do what you want the Chiefs to do.

How about the Carolina Panthers and the Buffalo Bills... i.e. two of the three non-Chiefs teams who lost on Wild Card Weekend and have fired assistant coaches?

How about the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks... i.e. teams that have been to and won Super Bowls during the past decade and who have both made major changes to their coaching staffs since the end of the regular season?

How about the Tennessee Titans... i.e. the team who beat the Chiefs in the playoffs and "parted ways" with their HC a week later?

gold_and_red · 01-22-2018, 02:31 PM

What bothers me most? The fact that tens of thousands of fans showed up at Arrowhead stadium for a playoff game. Stop supporting pathetic results.

RunKC · 01-22-2018, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

How about the Carolina Panthers and the Buffalo Bills... i.e. two of the three non-Chiefs teams who lost on Wild Card Weekend and have fired assistant coaches?

How about the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks... i.e. teams that have been to and won Super Bowls during the past decade and who have both made major changes to their coaching staffs since the end of the regular season?

How about the Tennessee Titans... i.e. the team who beat the Chiefs in the playoffs and "parted ways" with their HC a week later?

And you want them to...fire Sutton?

Dayze · 01-22-2018, 02:52 PM

I think the fact that the Chiefs will never go to a Super Bowl is what bothers me the most.

Coochie liquor · 01-22-2018, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar

Ownership complacency

As I posted in another thread, New England has an engaged owner who is passionate about the team and has made two head coaching hires, both of whom went on to win Super Bowls later (though one with another team).

Carroll was making postseason appearances but the team had regressed and Kraft wasn't satisfied with playoff appearances. He made a great hire in Belichick and it lead to two decades of success.

The Chiefs are the Chiefs because over the last 50 years, the Hunts have never made a hire like that.

I think you spelled Tom Brady wrong...

FloridaMan88 · 01-22-2018, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

And you want them to...fire Sutton?

Yes and Andy Heck.

ChiefsCountry · 01-22-2018, 03:08 PM

OL is fine. Alex Smith makes it look like dog shit. The defense needs more talent. Blowing up the coaching staff is way over the top. Getting rid of Alex Smith and adding some new pieces to the defense will help.

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DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	What bothers me most? Ownership. Lamar Hunt founded the AFL and hired a brilliant mind in Hank Stram. The Chiefs appeared in the first Super Bowl and won the 4th Super Bowl. But it seems like winning that Super Bowl mellowed Hunt's passion for a winner. He fired Hank Stram, allowed the roster to become old and hired two uninspired head coaches in Paul Wiggin and Tom Bettis. He finally decided to go back to his roots and hire Marv Levy, he fired him just as he was turning the team around (and admitted later that it was his biggest mistake). He allowed a young Bill Polian to leave the front office but at least hired another young, innovative coach in John Mackovic, drafted a QB, only to fire Mackovic after the Chiefs first playoff appearance in 15 years. After the brief Frank Gansz debacle, in which Nick Lowery led a player revolt, Hunt began to "Play It Safe", first by hiring Carl Peterson, then Marty Schottenheimer. The next 15 years, the Chiefs "played it safe" by hiring Gunther Cunningham, Dick Vermiel, Herm Edwards, Romeo Crennel and Andy Reid. Todd Haley was the only "inspired" hire but anyone with a ****ing brain could see from his time in Arizona that he was a ticking time bomb and in no way, shape or form had the mental makeup to be a head coach. So, as the Chiefs traded for yet another veteran QB, while watching former coaches reach the Super Bowl (Cowher was the first, now Pederson), the franchise is a mess, the roster, even after 5 full years of Reid and Dorsey, is chock full of holes, leaving overpaid and old veterans with more than $80 million in Dead Cap money accrued during Dorsey's tenure, the Chiefs are at a standstill, once again. With a Playoff Franchise Record of 9-18, 4 losses of which have come during Andy Reid's tenure, this team is once again stuck in neutral and has nowhere near a championship level defense in order to make a serious Super Bowl Run. I have zero hope and zero expectations that any of that changes in the next 5 years and based on the last 50, it'll likely never, ever change.
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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2339611	Damn Dane that’s pretty scathing, although it’s easy to admit that the Chiefs were a tire fire in the 70’s and 80’s. In the last 32 years, this has been the AFC rep in the SB: John Elway 5X Boomer Esiason Jim Kelly 4X Stan Humphries Neil O’Donnell Drew Bledsoe Steve McNair Trent Dilfer Rich Gannon Tom Brady 8X Joe Flacco Peyton Manning 4X Big Ben 3X It’s a QB league, and hopefully we finally have ours. We’ve proven we have a good enough team many times before, including last season. Leagues are dominated by special QB’s that have been guided by good coaches/GM’s. I really do believe that if Pat is that guy, we could have a shot after the Brady dynasty. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Ownership complacency As I posted in another thread, New England has an engaged owner who is passionate about the team and has made two head coaching hires, both of whom went on to win Super Bowls later (though one with another team). Carroll was making postseason appearances but the team had regressed and Kraft wasn't satisfied with playoff appearances. He made a great hire in Belichick and it lead to two decades of success. The Chiefs are the Chiefs because over the last 50 years, the Hunts have never made a hire like that.
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