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Old 09-23-2021, 12:23 PM  
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Rumblings of a possible deal for Detroit Collins?

Let's trade Frank Clark for him straight up!
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Old 09-23-2021, 01:27 PM   #31
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True, it may or may not go down. But interesting to consider, no?
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Old 09-23-2021, 01:31 PM   #32
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True, it may or may not go down. But interesting to consider, no?
If the trade compensation isn't much there is no downside. Might wake some of these guys up a bit.
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Old 09-23-2021, 01:35 PM   #33
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Maybe I'm alone in this, but the run stats so far don't worry me that much. We played the top running team in the NFL in Week 1, and the Ravens are basically nothing but a running team. They're strong teams, but this is our first loss to either team in the Mahomes era, and it was headed toward a win until the fumble. Let's let Spagnuolo observe and scheme before we make any abrupt moves.
when were nearly 90% sure the ravens were going to run.......we still couldnt stop them (nor get any push from the DL)....and watching Hitchens wait, just to feebly engage a blocker to make it look like he was 'busy'.....is infuriating.
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Old 09-23-2021, 01:37 PM   #34
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Old 09-23-2021, 01:40 PM   #35
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This is one of those time where you can say "how could it be any worse" and be factually correct. Don't have to worry having the 33rd rated defense. It would be worth a look IMO.
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Old 09-23-2021, 01:45 PM   #36
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I’m really concerned that Niemann would lose snaps if we made this move. We would miss his experience.


(I’m kidding btw)
At first I was like huh??

But then i was like haha
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Old 09-23-2021, 01:47 PM   #37
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True, it may or may not go down. But interesting to consider, no?
Oh, sure, since he's available it's fine to consider whether the Chiefs should pursue him and if he'd be a good fit.

Just from a "journalism" standpoint, a story asserting the Chiefs have been linked to a player -- absent anything such as an actual source connected to the player or either team -- just irks me.
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Old 09-23-2021, 01:52 PM   #38
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when were nearly 90% sure the ravens were going to run.......we still couldnt stop them (nor get any push from the DL)....and watching Hitchens wait, just to feebly engage a blocker to make it look like he was 'busy'.....is infuriating.
Well, there's that. Maybe I'm still basking in the glory of shutting down Derrick Henry in the AFC championship game a couple of years ago.

What's Mike Pennel up to these days? He seems to magically make a run defense better.
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Old 09-23-2021, 02:09 PM   #39
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Old 09-23-2021, 02:18 PM   #40
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Last rush defense in several categories
Fifth worst in sacks
Last in pressures

I didn’t realize it was THIS bad

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Old 09-23-2021, 02:25 PM   #41
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Thats essentially prototypical size for a LEO, right?
Also a good Sam candidate.

The issue is the overlap. If he's in at Sam it's presumably on running downs (you don't want him in coverage so Sam is out on passing downs) so if he's at Sam , you still have problems on the edge w/ Jones being green out there and Clark being ineffective in running situations.

If he's at the LEO, you still have an issue w/ the Sam 'backer in base formations (i.e. running downs). Perhaps the hope would be that moving Jones back inside in those situations would yield better run defense?

I guess his best role may end up being what we should've gone after Ingram for - LEO in passing downs. He can probably still generate a little pressure.

But it still leaves us robbing Peter to pay Paul against the run.

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Old 09-23-2021, 02:38 PM   #42
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Also a good Sam candidate.

The issue is the overlap. If he's in at Sam it's presumably on running downs (you don't want him in coverage so Sam is out on passing downs) so if he's at Sam , you still have problems on the edge w/ Jones being green out there and Clark being ineffective in running situations.

If he's at the LEO, you still have an issue w/ the Sam 'backer in base formations (i.e. running downs). Perhaps the hope would be that moving Jones back inside in those situations would yield better run defense?

I guess his best role may end up being what we should've gone after Ingram for - LEO in passing downs. He can probably still generate a little pressure.

But it still leaves us robbing Peter to pay Paul against the run.

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Is Gay not the SAM backer? Pretty sure Spagnuolo said something about that being where he'd get reps.

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Old 09-23-2021, 02:57 PM   #44
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Is Gay not the SAM backer? Pretty sure Spagnuolo said something about that being where he'd get reps.
I felt like that was their 'ease him in' role last year and that he was going to play more Will this year w/ Bolton as the Sam. At least that's what I would imagine based on their respective skill-sets.

But they also use slightly different LB terminology than I'm used to so I'm not real sure how they utilize a 'buck backer' or whatever they call it.

But if you use conventional terms to describe their roles, I would say that Gay, being far more athletic, is likely to be your 'Will' as conventionally described (coverage backer who occasionally rushes) and Bolton as your Sam (occasionally covers TEs but more frequently in a run support role; physical, downhill player), regardless of what they actually call them.

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