***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

You come here everyday to argue about something you know little about , what is your endgame.

whatever, bro. I don't know what tomorrow holds any more than the next person. If I wake up I go out and take on the day as most people do. I don't overly concern myself with things that are not in my control.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

whatever, bro. I don't know what tomorrow holds any more than the next person. If I wake up I go out and take on the day as most people do. I don't overly concern myself with things that are not in my control.

You spend a lot of time in here for someone not concerned about this.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Eh, it's just a bunch of WW2 vets and their wives. Who cares?

That was a terrible take to his argument. Also why do you think they are all WW2 vets and\or the Wives of vets? Or maybe you don't care about them unless they are such????

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That was a terrible take to his argument. Also why do you think they are all WW2 vets and\or the Wives of vets? Or maybe you don't care about them unless they are such????

I am not that concerned about COVID , people like you scare me a lot more .

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

You spend a lot of time in here for someone not concerned about this.

You spend a lot of time in here with pointless posts.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I am not that concerned about COVID , people like you scare me a lot more .

Uh huh....riiiiiiiggggghhhhhhttttt

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That was a terrible take to his argument. Also why do you think they are all WW2 vets and\or the Wives of vets? Or maybe you don't care about them unless they are such????

That's literally the generation we're talking about being hit hardest by this. They may not all be vets, but they're all in the generation who DID come together as a country and make huge sacrifices for the greater good.

But **** 'em. They're old.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Uh huh....riiiiiiiggggghhhhhhttttt

Stupid and stubborn are the scariest people on earth,

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

That's literally the generation we're talking about being hit hardest by this. They may not all be vets, but they're all in the generation who DID come together as a country and make huge sacrifices for the greater good.

But **** 'em. They're old.

Yeah, the straw man of "they're old so screw them" gets pretty worn. I don't see anyone saying that but you have your reasons for doing so....I guess

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Stupid and stubborn are the scariest people on earth,

Almost as bad as Canadians.....almost

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, the straw man of "they're old so screw them" gets pretty worn. I don't see anyone saying that but you have your reasons for doing so....I guess

Not sure how you interpret "80 year olds dying abd 8 year olds dying doesn't have the same impact." That sounds like "they're old so screw them" to me.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Not sure how you interpret "80 year olds dying abd 8 year olds dying doesn't have the same impact." That sounds like "they're old so screw them" to me.

I interpret it the way any normal person would. One has lived 80 years and longer than a lot of people. One has lived 8 years and much shorter than most people.

I am sorry to tell you but one 8 year old is worth ten 80 year olds and I bet you those 80 year olds would all agree with me.

You say it sounds like "screw them" because you want it too. The facts are this DaFace, this virus does impact the elderly. A person in their 80's will tell you their life is not worth a person who is 8. Cold, hard life will tell you a person their 80's is not worth the life of a person who is 8.

That's not uncaring. That's just a hard fact of life. And the point he is making is 100% correct. If this disease was killing children at the rate it is killing elderly people you would see hell and high water being moved to stop it. That doesn't mean people don't care about the elderly. That means you make a rational decision that a person with 70+ years of life ahead of them is worth more than a person with 70+ years of life behind them.

Unfortunately at times that decision has to be made and it's not fun and not fair but neither is life at times.

I don't know any elderly person that wouldn't give their life for a child.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Unfortunately at times that decision has to be made and it's not fun and not fair but neither is life at times.

I don't know any elderly person that wouldn't give their life for a child.

My issue is that this is NOT the decision that is being made. There are no 8 year olds dying that the 80 year olds have to save. The kids are fine.
That's why I have a major issue with this whole idea that it's acceptable to not care as much because they're old.

[loochy]

Could we care about old people AND kids? Is that a possibility?

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by tk13

Some of that is just the internet. I mean let's be real, there are people in this thread who are legitimately mentally ill because of politics. They have planted their flag in the ground and they aren't going to move. That's the internet.

It was all fun and games when it first started. Now 125,000 people are dead and people are making the same arguments and think it's not a big deal. You'd say it's unbelievable but I guess it's not. A complete lack of compassion for their country or other people. Only for themselves.

Let me guess, the mentally ill all reside on the right... correct?