***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by TLO

The percentages at the bottom of the study listed in the tables. I may not be reading them correctly. That's why I asked for some assistance.

That is not a correct interpretation. Let me give a parallel equivalent comparison.

Supposed you surveyed the age of drivers and learned that 12% of drivers were between the ages of 35 and 40.

Then you surveyed the ages of chess grandmasters and found that 18% of them were between the ages of 35 and 40.

Would you conclude that among 35 to 40 year old that there were more grandmasters than drivers? Obviously not.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Anyone care to explain to me how NY has 400k Confirmed cases and they are trending down?

400k is no where near herd immunity unless we have grossly under estimated how many cases there really are.

Sure. They only began Phase 1 of their reopening once the criteria for it was achieved.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by cdcox

That is not a correct interpretation. Let me give a parallel equivalent comparison.

Supposed you surveyed the age of drivers and learned that 12% of drivers were between the ages of 35 and 40.

Then you surveyed the ages of chess grandmasters and found that 18% of them were between the ages of 35 and 40.

Would you conclude that among 35 to 40 year old that there were more grandmasters than drivers? Obviously not.

So if I'm understanding you correctly, there are more people that get the flu as opposed to people that get covid (at this point anyway) so the percentages are inaccurate?

[Kiimo]

Countries Allowed to Travel to EU
Algeria
Australia
Canada
China
Georgia
Japan
Montenegro
Morocco
New Zealand
Rwanda
Serbia
South Korea
Thailand
Tunisia
Uruguay

Not Allowed
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— Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) June 26, 2020

Do you mods remember when I was banned from a thread for saying this would happen

[TLO]

Originally Posted by TLO

So if I'm understanding you correctly, there are more people that get the flu as opposed to people that get covid (at this point anyway) so the percentages are inaccurate?

And if not - check out appendix table 1 in that study. Yes I'm a moron, so I appreciate the breakdown.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Countries Allowed to Travel to EU
Algeria
Australia
Canada
China
Georgia
Japan
Montenegro
Morocco
New Zealand
Rwanda
Serbia
South Korea
Thailand
Tunisia
Uruguay

Not Allowed
United States of America https://t.co/XhaAoN5YKi

— Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) June 26, 2020

Do you mods remember when I was banned from a thread for saying this would happen

Good for them.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by TLO

Good for them.

Originally Posted by TLO

This shit has got me feeling depressed again. We as a country aren't going to collectively wear masks. We aren't going to continue to social distance. We pretty much seem ****ed.

We essentially made the same prediction not sure why the push back

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

We essentially made the same prediction not sure why the push back

Yeah I don't really care, but honestly we should STILL have Europe black listed considering they are not testing worth a damn anymore.

France a country of 65 million has conducted 1.3 million tests.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I admit I am only looking at the JoCo dashboard but there doesn't seem to be any reason for the recent panic. New hospitalizations are practically at their lowest levels.

And it does appear that it is not coming from the nursing home type places which is probably a reason why we won't see the associated increase in deaths we might expect.

I was a bit shocked to see that only 2 people under the age of 40 have died in JoCo. Whomever made the decisions regarding the nursing homes and such really ****ed up.

Covered a lot of this before, but the last time someone outside of an assisted living center has died in JOCO was April 16th.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by loochy

Some of the senators asked good questions, some made good points but took too much time and didn't allow Fauci or others to answer sufficiently, and some tried to use the platform to grandstand instead of answer questions.

So typical Senate hearing.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by kgrund

Covered a lot of this before, but the last time someone outside of an assisted living center has died in JOCO was April 16th.

The data seems to support your statement.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The data seems to support your statement.

That is why I said it.

[petegz28]

Worldometers might provide a pleasant surprise of sorts today. Right now it looks like we will come in under the 871 new deaths we saw Tuesday of last week so that's good news. Also it looks like we might drop back under the 40k new cases number for the first time in 5 days.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Worldometers might provide a pleasant surprise of sorts today. Right now it looks like we will come in under the 871 new deaths we saw Tuesday of last week so that's good news. Also it looks like we might drop back under the 40k new cases number for the first time in 5 days.

I guess it depends on when people report, but that leaves 3 hours in the day on world meter

[srvy]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

So I caved and bought a bunch of mask.

I am trying to think of cool shit to with them on the 4th. I was thinking of somehow shootout them up in the air and letting them fall like parachutes. Any other ideas?

Soak in paraffin and homemade fire and coal starter.