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Old 03-19-2022, 07:50 AM  
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Old 07-20-2022, 07:23 PM   #466
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Man - how does the tribe get an .875 OPS in over 1,000 PAs over limited and erratic playing time from Brian Giles and trade him for Ricardo Rincon?

Phew - that's bad. And Burnitz for a 34 yr old backup SS in Kevin Seitzer.

That's really lousy internal scouting.
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Old 07-20-2022, 07:29 PM   #467
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Because of 2 reasons:

1. They didn’t win a ring despite multiple appearances.
2. 2 teams(Blue Jays, Yankees) also dominated the AL and won multiple rings.
Yeah - but I just never hear them discussed when talking about lineups.

I wonder if the team didn't come together quicker than they expected. How do you have a contender and Dennis Martinez (41), Orel Hershiser (36) and a couple of slop tossers in Charles Nagy and Mark Clark are good enough for a ring?

Maddux, Glavine, Avery, Smoltz vs. Martinez, Orel, Nagy and Ken Hill has to be the most lopsided SP matchups in WS history (when considering where Martinez and Hershiser were in their careers). Tough break and a tough matchup for Cleveland.
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A Cards fan told me tonight at dinner that there’s serious talk about Soto to the Cards.

That would be an amazing lineup with Arenado & Goldy. What would the compensation going back be?


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A Cards fan told me tonight at dinner that there’s serious talk about Soto to the Cards.

That would be an amazing lineup with Arenado & Goldy. What would the compensation going back be?


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The Cardinals aren't getting Soto and not giving up Walker.

You just put together a package headlined by what would be your 3rd, if Gorman still qualified as a prospect, and 5th best prospects for a 23 year old easily on a HoF course. Nah...
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I just don't think the Cardinals are truly a player as long as DeWitt and Mo keep putting 2 million people in the stands. The TV money will be there but until people stop spending money, they don't really need to be more competitive.
its 3 million in the stands ever year. He ended up spending $75 million to buy the team. 25 years later it’s worth $2 Billion. They are supposedly making, publicly $30-$50 million a year in profit.

I’m not asking Dewitt to lose money to support the team. Just put the profits back into the team. Why do you have to make a profit of $50 million? Why not pay Soto that money? Would Dewitt even miss it?
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The Cardinals aren't getting Soto and not giving up Walker.

You just put together a package headlined by what would be your 3rd, if Gorman still qualified as a prospect, and 5th best prospects for a 23 year old easily on a HoF course. Nah...
Winn and Burleson are in Baseball America's top 75 of its midseason update, so you're wrong about 3rd and 5th. It's more like 2-4 with Gorman. I know Matthew Liberatore could be in that group but I'm just not as high on him.

I totally agree Walker would headline it but I also believe you make the Nationals counter with Walker in the deal. You just don't give him away.
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I totally agree Walker would headline it but I also believe you make the Nationals counter with Walker in the deal. You just don't give him away.
You do just give him away, because hes a prospect and there are 5 other teams out there in a playoff race with a better offer to be made than Walker already. If you aren't entering the negotiations with your best then you aren't even starting a conversation.
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You do just give him away, because hes a prospect and there are 5 other teams out there in a playoff race with a better offer to be made than Walker already. If you aren't entering the negotiations with your best then you aren't even starting a conversation.
It's not like the Nationals are offering Juan Soto with three years of control either. They're reportedly making a team take on Patrick Corbin and eat the $59 million and change owed to him in 2023-24.

On top of that, you have to make an extension with Soto, who is represented by Scott Boras and almost never does an extension before FA.
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It's not like the Nationals are offering Juan Soto with three years of control either. They're reportedly making a team take on Patrick Corbin and eat the $59 million and change owed to him in 2023-24.

On top of that, you have to make an extension with Soto, who is represented by Scott Boras and almost never does an extension before FA.
And the reports saying that the Nationals are going to ask a team to take on Corbin are also saying the ask will also include a teams top 4 prospects. So good luck with your MLB The Show trade.

The ****ing #1 prospect in baseball is on the ****ing table for Juan Soto.
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And the reports saying that the Nationals are going to ask a team to take on Corbin are also saying the ask will also include a teams top 4 prospects. So good luck with your MLB The Show trade.
It's not an MLB The Show trade because you already underrated Winn and Burleson compared to the way the industry sees them.
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