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Old 03-19-2022, 07:50 AM  
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Old 10-07-2022, 03:31 PM   #1156
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He had no idea where his fastball was going
For the last 6 pitches of the game, yes.

Did you not see him dot that ****er repeatedly to the first several batters he faced? He was even doing a nice job getting it down, which he doesn't always do.

When he's way off, he leaks armside and the ball runs up and away from him. He wasn't doing that...y'know, until he was.

His command was really good until it was just gone. There's nothing to hang on Marmol for sticking with him. He was carving them up and if that's not Harper batting, that 2-2 fastball he threw and really the 3-2 slider punches him out. But Harper can see the ball as well as anyone out there and he won the AB. Shit happens when you're facing a Hall of Famer.

But then the wheels flew off.
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Old 10-07-2022, 03:32 PM   #1157
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Yea I dont know how Ollie was supposed to predict that scenario. He was 1 pitch from getting out of it the whole time.
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Old 10-07-2022, 03:32 PM   #1158
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Paul DeJong getting a critical at bat says all you need to know about this team.
As does Eflin getting a critical inning for the Phillies.

This game would bother me more if I thought the Cardinals were legit contenders. They aren't. Neither is Philly.

This is mostly just masturbating until the Dodgers, Braves, Mets and maybe Padres sort it out amongst themselves.
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Yea I dont know how Ollie was supposed to predict that scenario. He was 1 pitch from getting out of it the whole time.
You know me - always defending Ollie Marmol...
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Just get a hit here Molina dont try to do too much.
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That was predictable. See you guys tomorrow.

What a shit show.
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You know me - always defending Ollie Marmol...
I think Ollie has done a good job this year. You forgot more about Baseball in the last week than I know total.

But, I still think if you have an injured pitcher this week with his pitching hand. Then he loses it and can’t throw a strike. You have to think it’s related and pull him regardless if you don’t have better choices.
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I think Ollie has done a good job this year. You forgot more about Baseball in the last week than I know total.

But, I still think if you have an injured pitcher this week with his pitching hand. Then he loses it and can’t throw a strike. You have to think it’s related and pull him regardless if you don’t have better choices.
Sure. But when did he 'lose it'?

I think we're talking maybe a 1 batter difference. He got Hoskins for the first out. Realmuto hit a decent slider at the knees - no warning signs. Harper drew a walk off two really good takes after he throws a nasty 1-0 curve and then dots the black at 102 to get a swinging strike and take him to 1-2.

Suddenly he throws a 5 pitch walk to Castellanos that took like...a minute. Can you argue he should've had someone warm? Sure, I suppose. But remember how pissed off folks used to get at LaRussa for 'dry humping' relievers? You gotta be careful there as well.

When he pitches as well as he did in the 8th and then got the first batter of the 9th, what's your justification for getting someone warmed?

You can get them loose; have them soft-tossing. But 'getting loose' and getting warm are two different animals. You can have them out there getting loose but to 'get warm' means making high effort pitches from the mound. But even that's gonna take more than 1 batter to get them lathered and in the game. I mean there are a very select few that could do it faster than that (Steve Klein, for instance), but most take 10-12 pitches and that's gonna be a couple of batters.

The wheels just came off too damn fast.
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As does Eflin getting a critical inning for the Phillies.

This game would bother me more if I thought the Cardinals were legit contenders. They aren't. Neither is Philly.

This is mostly just masturbating until the Dodgers, Braves, Mets and maybe Padres sort it out amongst themselves.
As the acknowledged homer in here even I know we don’t have much of a chance against the Dodgers, Braves etc.

Maybe if Goldy/Arenado/Pujols and one other hitter got hot and hit a couple of homers but that’s really a long shot and the only way.

But, I thought we could win this series.
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I think the mistake was pulling Quintana when he did. That led to the downstream bullpen usage/overusage.
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I think the mistake was pulling Quintana when he did. That led to the downstream bullpen usage/overusage.
That felt ENTIRELY like a call from the number crunchers.

I think the organization has numbers guys that will essentially tell Marmol what to do. Going into that game I'm betting Marmol was told to do it because the analytics department found some numbers to suggested it was the way to go.
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