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Old 11-07-2021, 07:28 PM  
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Andy, please let Mahomes be Mahomes

He’s not a pocket passer. Maybe someday he will be but we are 9 games into the season. Mahomes as a pocket passer this year ain’t happening.

You want to waste a prime year of Hill, Kelce and a cheap salary year of Mahomes, keep trying to make him a pocket passer this year.

He saved your ass and the season by being Mahomes and making the game clinching play.

Please for the love of god, and to save our season, let Mahomes be who is really is…. Mahomes.
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Old 11-07-2021, 07:31 PM   #2
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Mahomes was winning from the pocket his 3rd start in the league.

He just needs to figure out what's going on right now with coverages. His timing and reads are off.
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Old 11-07-2021, 07:33 PM   #3
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I actually think the reverse needs to happen and Andy needs to hold Mahomes tightly to a scripted gameplan that features quick/short passes and uptempo/no huddle to help him get out of the slump.

It’s no coincidence that the Chiefs offense has looked it’s best the last two games in their first drives with the first 15 scripted plays.
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Old 11-07-2021, 07:33 PM   #4
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Mahomes was winning from the pocket his 3rd start in the league.

He just needs to figure out what's going on right now with coverages. His timing and reads are off.
It's called making reads, and he isn't doing it.
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Old 11-07-2021, 07:38 PM   #5
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Hes not a pocket passer. Maybe someday he will be but we are 9 games into the season. Mahomes as a pocket passer this year aint happening.

You want to waste a prime year of Hill, Kelce and a cheap salary year of Mahomes, keep trying to make him a pocket passer this year.

He saved your ass and the season by being Mahomes and making the game clinching play.

Please for the love of god, and to save our season, let Mahomes be who is really is. Mahomes.
The reason why broken plays work and not the pocket plays is not because Mahomes can't throw from the pocket.

Too often the offense is not getting WRs open fast enough.

We need to run more plays with Wrs bunched, close together where space is cleared.

The deep stuff is gone now and the normal RPO plays are gone as well because teams are now keeping their linebackers back, squeezing the RPO passing windows.

We need Reid to bust out his old school West Coast playbook and stop with the spread until we break shell coverage.
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Old 11-07-2021, 07:38 PM   #6
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Hes not a pocket passer. Maybe someday he will be but we are 9 games into the season. Mahomes as a pocket passer this year aint happening.

You want to waste a prime year of Hill, Kelce and a cheap salary year of Mahomes, keep trying to make him a pocket passer this year.

He saved your ass and the season by being Mahomes and making the game clinching play.

Please for the love of god, and to save our season, let Mahomes be who is really is. Mahomes.
I have to agree. I don't know if it is Mahomes just knowing he needs to work on it. Or Reid and Co trying to tell him to stay in the pocket but he isn't a pocket passer right now. He HATES stepping up in the pocket and he drops back so far when he does "stay in the pocket" because he's clearly not comfortable. I don't know if we can run some roll outs or bootlegs or what, but whatever it is with the offense is not working right now.
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Old 11-07-2021, 07:38 PM   #7
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We need to scheme up some bootlegs, and moving pocket plays where Pat is constantly moving. It's where he's most comfortable, and where he makes his biggest plays.
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Old 11-07-2021, 07:39 PM   #8
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Some of you are just in flat out denial. Patrick is not a good QB at the moment. He has some good moments but he is missing reads badly and making poor decisions. He chose not to throw to a wide open Kelce today twice and opted to take much higher risk passes that hit the ground.

He has been inaccurate as well. Sure the play calling and dropped passes don't help but he isn't helping himself. We all want Pat to be the Pat that won the Super Bowl but right now, this season, he isn't very good. And that's just the reality of it.
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Old 11-07-2021, 07:40 PM   #9
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Hey guys, remember this?

Tom Brady was done. Staring down receivers in Arians offense. The Bucs were 7-5, a complete mess, and Brady was declined and overmatched in the needs of his new offense.

All of this is to say that yes, even the best of quarterbacks go through stretches like this. Patrick and Andy are going to figure this out, everything in their history and pedigree suggest they will. For the start we've had to the season, 5-4 seems awfully okay considering the unexpected offensive and defensive problems we've had to start the season.
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Old 11-07-2021, 07:42 PM   #10
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Some of you are just in flat out denial. Patrick is not a good QB at the moment. He has some good moments but he is missing reads badly and making poor decisions. He chose not to throw to a wide open Kelce today twice and opted to take much higher risk passes that hit the ground.

He has been inaccurate as well. Sure the play calling and dropped passes don't help but he isn't helping himself. We all want Pat to be the Pat that won the Super Bowl but right now, this season, he isn't very good. And that's just the reality of it.
Explain the euphoria that shitting on Mahomes provides you. Be as detailed as possible, because I'm never going to talk shit on the best player this franchise has ever had, so I will never experience it for myself.

He made the highlight reel play to win the ****ing football game, in case you ****ing missed it.
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Old 11-07-2021, 07:43 PM   #11
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Hey guys, remember this?

Tom Brady was done. Staring down receivers in Arians offense. The Bucs were 7-5, a complete mess, and Brady was declined and overmatched in the needs of his new offense.

All of this is to say that yes, even the best of quarterbacks go through stretches like this. Patrick and Andy are going to figure this out, everything in their history and pedigree suggest they will. For the start we've had to the season, 5-4 seems awfully okay considering the unexpected offensive and defensive problems we've had to start the season.
Patrick is going to have to learn how to be a QB now. He got away the last 3 seasons playing backyard football. Teams have adjusted defensively. They are not letting guys run deep and forcing Mahomes to make reads and go through his progressions.

If he can't adjust he is done. It's that simple. I think he can do it but he has yet to show it. He keeps trying to make the big play instead of just taking what the defense gives.
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It's a cocktail of little things that haven't gone away. The light will come on. The defense has carried us the last two games. It also Andy not putting our best RB out there and getting to cute on short yardage downs.
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Mahomes was winning from the pocket his 3rd start in the league.

He just needs to figure out what's going on right now with coverages. His timing and reads are off.
He's not trusting his Tackles hence the bailing, and Orlando pass blocks differently than Fisher which is the reason why looks awkward and uncomfortable. With the right side Niang isn't Schwartz the best RT in the league when he was healthy
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Explain the euphoria that shitting on Mahomes provides you. Be as detailed as possible, because I'm never going to talk shit on the best player this franchise has ever had, so I will never experience it for myself.

He made the highlight reel play to win the ****ing football game, in case you ****ing missed it.
I am not shitting on Mahomes. I am just calling it as it is. Doesn't mean I like it. I don't like it at all. But if you think Mahomes is or has played good football recently then you are just fooling yourself.

He made a highlight reel pass to win the game in a game the other team gave him every chance to run away with. In other words he was a big factor in why he had to make such a play to win the game.

We should have blown this team out 35-0 or worse and you are happy because he made one play when he absolutely had too.
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