What is your stance on aliens?

[mr. tegu]

I am curious to see where everyone stands on this. Asking about a stance on UFOs could be a different topic with different options so feel to give your thoughts on that as well.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Sometimes you see things that are unexplainable by physics - if what you see can't be explained by the physics of this world then it must be from another world - therefore alien.

I can't tell if you are being serious or not, because the statement is so obviously ridiculous.

Anything you can't explain must be from another world????? Seriously?????

Please tell me that my sarcasm meter is broken.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by ct

Actually most religions DO talk about beings not of earth visiting and interacting with earth and/or humans, they just call them God(s) instead of Aliens.

[Rain Man]

Chariots of the Gods was mind-bending when I read it at age 11. I wonder what I would think about it now.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Chariots of the Gods was mind-bending when I read it at age 11. I wonder what I would think about it now.

its still interesting

[scho63]

I find it hard to believe that we are the ONLY species of life in a universe as vast and as old as the experts claim.

Carl Sagan I believe said this:

"How incredible would it be if we were the ONLY ones I this vast universe. Inversely, how incredible would it be if we are NOT the only ones in this vast universe?"

I'm not religious at all but I believe there is something more and greater out there then just us. What that is I have not a f***ing clue!

[srvy]

They were here and read DC then scrammed.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

I can't tell if you are being serious or not, because the statement is so obviously ridiculous.

Anything you can't explain must be from another world????? Seriously?????

Please tell me that my sarcasm meter is broken.

No you are correct - they could be from an advanced civilization living under the ocean - WTF? Seriously yourself. I have video of stuff that college professors (Meteorologist, Physcis, Biology) can't explain. They can't give me a earthy explanation of what I have captured. Not even swamp ass - I mean gas - I go with the more likley than not scenario.

But go ahead and beat your chest that you know it couldn't be.....

[ThaVirus]

I'm as open minded as the next guy, but Brainiac is right.

You can't admit to not knowing what something is and then claim it must be aliens. That's not a sound conclusion.

You simply don't know. That's it.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Neither of which explains the precision cattle mutilations of the San Juan Valley.

Cattle mutilations have been debunked for decades. They've done multiple controlled experiments showing how easily insects, birds, and small animals can create what looks like a precise incision.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

No you are correct - they could be from an advanced civilization living under the ocean - WTF? Seriously yourself. I have video of stuff that college professors (Meteorologist, Physcis, Biology) can't explain. They can't give me a earthy explanation of what I have captured. Not even swamp ass - I mean gas - I go with the more likley than not scenario.

But go ahead and beat your chest that you know it couldn't be.....

I never said it could not be aliens. I said a lack of understanding of what something is doesn't automatically mean that it's an alien. One hundred years ago people thought everything they didn't understand was a goblin, a witch, or a leprechaun.

I think you saw a witch flying on her broomstick. We've eliminated everything that can't be explained by the physics of this world, it's pretty obvious that it has to be a witch flying on her broomstick.

But go ahead and beat your chest that you know it couldn't be.....

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Fish

Cattle mutilations have been debunked for decades. They've done multiple controlled experiments showing how easily insects, birds, and small animals can create what looks like a precise incision.

Debunked for decades - yet still open investigations in local Sheriff/Police agencies....

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

I never said it could not be aliens. I said a lack of understanding of what something is doesn't automatically mean that it's an alien. One hundred years ago people thought everything they didn't understand was a goblin, a witch, or a leprechaun.

I think you saw a witch flying on her broomstick. We've eliminated everything that can't be explained by the physics of this world, it's pretty obvious that it has to be a witch flying on her broomstick.

But go ahead and beat your chest that you know it couldn't be.....

Well since we all know witches don't exist here ...she must be an alien ... or is it he...that would have been a wizard right?

I have done my due diligence I looked for months for any explanation I could come up with to give it an earthly explanation....nothing....does that mean that every "unexplained" phenomena is alien? No. But I guarandamntee you that what I have seen and captured (on video) was not of this world

[Fish]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Debunked for decades - yest still open investigations in local Sheriff/Police agencies....

Are you making inferences on alien life using open police investigations?

[DenverChief]

A recent article discussing an investigation

SAN LUIS — Manuel Sanchez tucks his leathery hands into well-worn pockets and nods toward a cedar tree where, last month, he found his fourth mysteriously slaughtered calf in as many weeks.
"I have no idea what could do this. I wish I did," he says.
Four calves, all killed overnight. Their innards gone. Tongues sliced out. Udders carefully removed. Facial skin sliced and gone. Eyes cored away. Not a single track surrounding the carcasses, which were found in pastures locked behind two gates and a mile from any road. Not a drop of blood on the ground or even on the remaining skin.

In his life in the piñon-patched pastures where his father and grandfather raised cattle, the 72-year-old Sanchez has seen mountain lions and coyotes kill cattle, elk and deer. He's seen birds scavenge carcasses. He's heard of thieves slaughtering livestock in the field for their meat. He can't explain what he saw last month.

"A lion will drag its kill. Coyotes rip and tear flesh. These were perfect cuts — like with a laser or like a scalpel. And what would take the waste — all the guts — and leave the nice, tender meat?" Sanchez says, as he nudges his old Ford through rutted trails, rosary beads swinging from his rearview mirror. "No tracks. No blood. No nothing. I got nothing to go by. They don't leave no trace."

Every rancher who has reported similar cattle deaths — and there have been at least eight such deaths in southern Colorado this year — uses the same description.
"They just stripped this one," says Tom Miller, who in March was one of three ranchers near Trinidad who discovered mutilated cattle.

Cow raises the alarm

One morning, he went out to his concrete troughs to feed his herd of about 80 red and black Angus cows and calves. The herd was racing about. A cow that a week before had birthed a calf was bellowing, "raising all kind of devil," Miller says.

There by the trough — past the locked gate a quarter-mile from U.S. 350 east of Hoehne — was the calf. Its front legs and torso were gone. Its back legs were hanging by hide to a shattered pelvis and a meatless backbone. Miller thought a pack of coyotes had torn into the calf the night before.

Then he saw the ears: sliced off the head in circular, surgical-like cuts. He noticed that there were no tracks. And no blood anywhere.

"If anyone can show me how this happened, I will believe them. I know it's not coyotes, especially in one night. Only a human or something like that can cut the ears like that," says Miller, a 72-year-old rancher who was raised on the prairie bordering the Purgatoire River.

"If it was done by people, they sure went out of their way to bother and confuse me. And really, why? It doesn't make any sense."

Mysteriously mangled

Colorado Brand Inspector Dennis Williams came out and looked at Miller's calf. He lives next door; the calf would be the last of three strangely mutilated cattle that he would investigate in March of this year.
"I've heard about it. It was weird, to say the least. Totally unexplainable. To me, it looked like that calf had been dropped from a high distance, the way its hips were dislocated and all its broken bones," Williams says.
That same month, ranchers had called Williams to grisly scenes northeast of Aguilar and west of Weston to investigate mysteriously mangled cattle that had been seen healthy the day before.

To add to the weirdness, Sanchez, Miller and Mike Duran, who found a sliced Red Angus cow near Weston in March, have all experienced similar mutilations before. Sanchez lost cows in 2006 and 1993, Miller in 1997 and 1980, and Duran in 2000 and 1995.

"It's weird and unexplainable," says Duran, who lost a healthy 27-year-old Red Angus cow on March 8, her udder and rear end removed with what he describes as "laser cuts, like when somebody cuts metal with a torch."
Cops, like Williams and the ranchers, are stumped.

"We can't come up with anything," says Las Animas County sheriff's Deputy Derek Navarette, who investigated the Miller and Duran calves.
"We've seen these before and they are all kind of the same. No one has ever explained it. Northern New Mexico has had some of these same cases, and in those cases they never got any further than we did."

Predators ruled out
Chuck Zukowski of Colorado Springs investigated three of the eight mutilated cows in southern Colorado this year. The amateur UFO investigator and reserve deputy in El Paso County documents each scene, testing for radiation and scanning carcasses with ultraviolet light.

Despite his extraterrestrial inclinations, Zukowski's studies — found on his ufonut.com website — fall short of concluding anything paranormal. He seems certain all the animals he studied were killed and drained before they were sliced, which explains the lack of blood found near the animals.
The way the tongues were sliced off in straight lines back behind the teeth indicates it is not a predator kill, he says.

"I'm looking for obvious things," Zukowski says. "I don't like to say aliens did it. There are just too many unknowns. I like to lean on human intervention until I actually see a UFO come down and take a cow."
Sanchez is a salt-of-the-earth-type fellow who put three kids through college running cattle. Yet, he says he and his wife marveled at incandescent blue lights hovering over a ridge near his pastures in July and August. He declined to speculate about the lights.

"I just say the truth and that's what I saw," he says.

Duran, on the other hand, is willing to take the next step. He's looked at it from every angle, he says. If it wasn't human and wasn't a predator, he says, there's only one other option.

"I do believe it was UFOs. This universe is so big, a lot of people think we are the only ones here," he says, declining to guess why aliens harbor such bloody disdain for bovines.

"I bet there is something out there."

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13956752

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Fish

Are you making inferences on alien life using open police investigations?

I think you are trying to be funny - but I'm not sure what you are getting at there -