Royals *** Official 2018 Royals Offseason Repository *** - Page 51

duncan_idaho · 06:46 AM

It's the end of the world as we know it... and we feel... fine?

2018 is a season of transition for the Royals, or at least it is at this point. Dayton Moore is back. Will he swing full into THE PROCESS 2.0? Or will he try to load up again and make some reload magic happen?

Pending Free Agents:
1B | Eric Hosmer | San Diego Padres, 8 years, $144 million ($5 million signing bonus; $20 million/year in Yrs 1-5; $13 million/year in Yrs 6-8 wth player opt out)

Spoiler!

3B | Mike Moustaskas | Kansas City Royas, 1, $6.5 million

Spoiler!

CF | Lorenzo Cain | Milwaukee Brewers, 5 years, $80 million

Spoiler!

RP | Mike Minor | Texas Rangers, 3, $28 million

Spoiler!

SP | Jason Vargas | New York Mets, 2, $16 million

Spoiler!

SS | Alcides Escobar | Kansas City Royals, 1, $2.5 million

Spoiler!

2018 MLB Draft Picks
#18
#33 - Compensation (Eric Hosmer)
#34 - Compensation (Lorenzo Cain)
#40 (Competitive Balance Round A)

Comp picks explanation:

Spoiler!

2018 Draft Names to Watch

RHP Kumar Rocker, N Oconnee HS, Georgia.

Spoiler!

OF Jarred Kelenic, Waukasha West HS, WI

Spoiler!

1B Triston Casas, American Heritage HS (FL).

Spoiler!

RHP Carter Stewart, Eau de Gallie HS (Ga).

Spoiler!

ANY Any, Any (Any). Any current top projected pick who slides for injury concerns. Includes current top prospect prospect SP Brady Singer, U of Florida.

duncan_idaho · 01-22-2018, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

A bunch of whiney millionaires. I wouldn't sign any of them. How often to big contracts work out?

And the owners who would have to pay them are whiny billionaires (whose margins have grown and who have a bigger piece of the revenue pie than they did since the MLBPA was formed).

kstater · 01-22-2018, 04:39 PM

I get the aging argument. But if the owners are gonna go that route, they're gonna need to bring the salary floor up a bunch

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dlphg9 · 01-22-2018, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

And the owners who would have to pay them are whiny billionaires (whose margins have grown and who have a bigger piece of the revenue pie than they did since the MLBPA was formed).

Yeah I get that, but there are alot of people working for billionaires who get paid jack shit nothing and you have people that are getting paid 10-15 million a year bitching because they're not getting 20-25 million a year.

dallaschiefsfan · 01-22-2018, 05:30 PM

I could care less whether the owners or the players have more of the pie. Class warfare between billionaires and millionaires just doesn't seem worth it - no horse in that race. Just let supply / demand to do its thing. Inflated markets always even out. That's all we're seeing here.

EDIT: Sorry...inflated markets even out EXCEPT for when government involvement - intentionally or not - artificially support an inflated market. I'm looking at you, college tuition.

Prison Bitch · 01-22-2018, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

A bunch of whiney millionaires. I wouldn't sign any of them. How often to big contracts work out?

They've worked out phenomenally well for owners, who've given huge contracts yet seen their franchise values (and revenues) skyrocket alongside.

Remember: no fan ever turned on a TV to watch an owner own a team.

MrGiggity · 01-22-2018, 06:28 PM

MLB.com has done the top 10 prospects at RHP, LHP, C, 1B and 2B for 2018.

Nick Pratto is our only prospect to make any of the top 10s so far, and will probably be the only one as I'm not sure we will have anyone on the top 10 for 3B, SS or OF. Came in at #4 for first basemen.

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=1b

tk13 · 01-22-2018, 06:42 PM

Austin Jackson signed a 2 year, $6 million deal with the Giants. He's not really a $15 million player but he had a really good year last year.

Austin Jackson was a two-win player last year. That's worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $15M in value for one season. He got a total of $6M guaranteed for two seasons. The bottoming out of this market is staggering, and what's scary is that this is just the beginning. https://t.co/5VTE4am20v
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) January 23, 2018

dallaschiefsfan · 01-22-2018, 08:20 PM

Likely puts a lid on any Cain signing by the Giants. Seems like he might end up going back to the Brewers - not much noise from any other teams.

tk13 · 01-22-2018, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Likely puts a lid on any Cain signing by the Giants. Seems like he might end up going back to the Brewers - not much noise from any other teams.

That was my first reaction... what happens to Cain now? Not just in terms of team, but how much money is he going to get? He's older than Jackson.

The Brewers already have an issue with too many outfielders. They seem to be willing to make aggressive moves, but if they did sign an OF they'd be looking to trade someone like Domingo Santana, who was pretty good last year.

CaliforniaChief · 01-22-2018, 08:36 PM

So things cooled down with Cain to the Rangers?

I guess things have always been ice cold with every free agent.

sedated · 01-22-2018, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Remember: no fan ever turned on a TV to watch an owner own a team.

But a lot of fans will watch the jersey no matter who is wearing it.

dallaschiefsfan · 01-22-2018, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

So things cooled down with Cain to the Rangers?

I guess things have always been ice cold with every free agent.

Rangers linger. I don't know how much they are driving anyone's market, though.

Prison Bitch · 01-22-2018, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

But a lot of fans will watch the jersey no matter who is wearing it.

Provably false. That's what NFL owners thought in 1987 when they trotted out the scabs for 3 games. Attendance immediately plunged and ratings tanked.

Bears at Philly: 4,000
Bucs at Lions: 4,900
Chiefs at Raiders: 9,000

Here are more examples:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comment...s_from_week_4/

Sure-Oz · 01-22-2018, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGiggity

MLB.com has done the top 10 prospects at RHP, LHP, C, 1B and 2B for 2018.

Nick Pratto is our only prospect to make any of the top 10s so far, and will probably be the only one as I'm not sure we will have anyone on the top 10 for 3B, SS or OF. Came in at #4 for first basemen.

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=1b

No top 100 guy.

duncan_idaho · 01-23-2018, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

No top 100 guy.

Not surprising. Pratto didn't do enough to earn that status in his debut. I still like him, though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13

That was my first reaction... what happens to Cain now? Not just in terms of team, but how much money is he going to get? He's older than Jackson.

The Brewers already have an issue with too many outfielders. They seem to be willing to make aggressive moves, but if they did sign an OF they'd be looking to trade someone like Domingo Santana, who was pretty good last year.

I think he ends up in Milwaukee or Texas, though if I'm the Royals, I'd be thinking long and hard about taking my Hosmer money and spending it on a combo of Cain and Moustakas (at this point you can probably get both for less than what Hosmer was offered).

If the Brewers move an OF, I'd expect some combo of prospect Monte Harrison and Keon Braxton rather than Santana. And I'd expect the return to be a quality SP.

If they land Darvish in FA and add a solid #2/3 type behind him via trade, that team is built to do damage.

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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1790308	* Official 2018 Royals Offseason Repository * It's the end of the world as we know it... and we feel... fine? 2018 is a season of transition for the Royals, or at least it is at this point. Dayton Moore is back. Will he swing full into THE PROCESS 2.0? Or will he try to load up again and make some reload magic happen? Pending Free Agents: 1B \| Eric Hosmer \| San Diego Padres, 8 years, $144 million ($5 million signing bonus; $20 million/year in Yrs 1-5; $13 million/year in Yrs 6-8 wth player opt out) Spoiler! (DI's Guess: Texas Rangers, 6, $118 million) 3B \| Mike Moustaskas \| Kansas City Royas, 1, $6.5 million Spoiler! (DI's Guess: Los Angeles Angels, 5, $98 million) CF \| Lorenzo Cain \| Milwaukee Brewers, 5 years, $80 million Spoiler! (DI's Guess: San Francisco Giants, 4, $68 million) RP \| Mike Minor \| Texas Rangers, 3, $28 million Spoiler! (DI's Guess: Los Angeles Angels, 3, $35 million+ $12 million team option SP \| Jason Vargas \| New York Mets, 2, $16 million Spoiler! (DI's Guess: Baltimore Orioles, 2, $29 million) SS \| Alcides Escobar \| Kansas City Royals, 1, $2.5 million Spoiler! (DI's Guess: San Diego Padres, 1, $6.5 million) 2018 MLB Draft Picks #18 #33 - Compensation (Eric Hosmer) #34 - Compensation (Lorenzo Cain) #40 (Competitive Balance Round A) Comp picks explanation: Spoiler! In case I, picks would be #32, 33, and 34, if Alex Cobb of Rays signs for $50 million guaranteed. Kansas City will likely have 5 of the top 40-45 picks in the draft, and the bonus pool money should rival that of the teams drafting 1-3 in the 2017 draft. This should give KC tremendous flexibility in acquiring talent that otherwise might slip or not be "signable." 2018 Draft Names to Watch RHP Kumar Rocker, N Oconnee HS, Georgia. Spoiler! Possibly goes top 10 but is a big, physical SP with ace potential. Moore and co. will be all over him if he slips a bit and could offer top 10 money at No. 16 OF Jarred Kelenic, Waukasha West HS, WI Spoiler! Kelenic is the top prep bat, toolsy OF. Royals would be ecstatic to have shot at him. 1B Triston Casas, American Heritage HS (FL). Spoiler! Tremendous raw power, best in HS bats. Royals typically like HS arms or HS bats with "special" tools. He qualifies. RHP Carter Stewart, Eau de Gallie HS (Ga). Spoiler! Another big, physical specimen with huge upside. More likely to be available mid-first than Rocker. ANY Any, Any (Any). Any current top projected pick who slides for injury concerns. Includes current top prospect prospect SP Brady Singer, U of Florida. Last edited by duncan_idaho; 04-02-2018 at 06:46 AM..
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dallaschiefsfan Herm is the worst...horrible Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $4448850	I could care less whether the owners or the players have more of the pie. Class warfare between billionaires and millionaires just doesn't seem worth it - no horse in that race. Just let supply / demand to do its thing. Inflated markets always even out. That's all we're seeing here. EDIT: Sorry...inflated markets even out EXCEPT for when government involvement - intentionally or not - artificially support an inflated market. I'm looking at you, college tuition. __________________
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MrGiggity Starter Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: PIIHB Casino cash: $10007387	MLB.com has done the top 10 prospects at RHP, LHP, C, 1B and 2B for 2018. Nick Pratto is our only prospect to make any of the top 10s so far, and will probably be the only one as I'm not sure we will have anyone on the top 10 for 3B, SS or OF. Came in at #4 for first basemen. http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=1b
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01-22-2018, 06:42 PM	#757
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $2022500	Austin Jackson signed a 2 year, $6 million deal with the Giants. He's not really a $15 million player but he had a really good year last year. Austin Jackson was a two-win player last year. That's worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $15M in value for one season. He got a total of $6M guaranteed for two seasons. The bottoming out of this market is staggering, and what's scary is that this is just the beginning. https://t.co/5VTE4am20v — Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) January 23, 2018 Last edited by tk13; 01-22-2018 at 06:48 PM..
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dallaschiefsfan Herm is the worst...horrible Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $4448850	Likely puts a lid on any Cain signing by the Giants. Seems like he might end up going back to the Brewers - not much noise from any other teams. __________________
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CaliforniaChief #RIPAce Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $12422899	So things cooled down with Cain to the Rangers? I guess things have always been ice cold with every free agent.
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