No Chris Jones at OTA's.

[O.city]

As expected, Chiefs DT Chris Jones has not reported for the start of OTAs this week, per a source.

— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) May 21, 2019

[Kiimo]

And he's nowhere near the ability of Aaron Donald.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

yeah, he's not even a pro bowl veteran, let alone 4 timer.

the hell does a popularity contest have to do with his value? the probowl is a joke in itself.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

the hell does a popularity contest have to do with his value? the probowl is a joke in itself.

it adds perceived value, like it or not.

[Dunerdr]

i dont think veach or any gm is going well **** the fans voted for him pay this man top dollar!

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Along the same lines of some of the words of Anthony Hitchens yesterday, Charvarius Ward said that the communication of the #Chiefs defense is much better this year.

— Arrowhead Pride (@ArrowheadPride) June 12, 2019

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

I’m willing to wait one extra year to find out. I think this years defense is much better than last year even without jones. Clark is a better player and we don’t have Houston and berry bad attitude to deal with. I want him on the team just want him to finish his rookie freaking contract of four years. He’s lucky he wasn’t the 32nd pick in the first as we would have him two more years.

With or without him we win the Super Bowl in my opinion, but for jones his agent to bully the chiefs for a top 2 DL contract after one good year when he still has one left I’d wait. We still win the SB. Hell last year with the worst d in football we were a few Ford inches away from the Sb . Love to have him but he needs to finish his four year deal, prove he’s not a flash and then pay him.

The bolded sentence above proves you are a ****ing tard. Anyone who is against Jones getting paid right now is a ****ing tard.

I'd pay him more than Donald. AD signed his deal when he was 27 years old and will be getting paid when he's 33 years old. He's going to be on the decline sooner rather than later. Jones is gonna be 24, but will be 25 soon and if we give him a 6 year extension he will be 31 at the end of that contract.

I wanted to figure out when D Tackles usually start to become bums, so I looked up the top 10 D Tackles of all time, according to Gil Brandt (old dude at ESPN) and looked up their AV according to Pro Football Reference. The AV of the 50th ranked player was 13. I figure if you were going to pay a guy a ton that you would want them to be at least a top 50 guy. So, when did each of the top 10 d-tackle's AV go below 13.

Curley Culp - never had a 13 AV, but had a 12 at age 29 and started to decline after.
John Randle - 31 and only had one more season that he hit 10 AV
Buck Buchanon - 30 and only one more season of 10 AV
Cortez Kennedy - 26, but had an outlier at age 31 and had a 13 AV.
Arnie Weinmeister - No AV info
Warren Sapp - 30, had a 12 AV at 31, but fell off cliff after that and never did better than a 7 AV
Randy White - 32
Merlin Olsen - 30
Joe Greene - 30
Bob Lilly - 30

So the average age that these guys started to go down hill was 29.777, so round up to 30. I'd rather be paying Chris Jones $20+ mil/year during his prime years over paying Aaron Donald $20+ mil/year during 3-4 years of his prime and 2-3 years of him sucking shit. Paying Jones is the better deal and you could even argue that Jones deserves more, since you are paying for all of his prime years.

Also to all the idiots saying "well he's only done it for 1 year", look up all of those guys stats. Only 1 of those players hit their prime in year 1, C. Kennedy, and Sapp hit his in year 3. All of the others didn't hit their prime until year 4 or 5. All of these guys are in the HoF. With the trajectory of most D Tackles and the switch to a 4-3, Jones is going to have a huge year and be even more expensive or just pissed with how he was treated and walk away the first chance he has.

Pay the man, Veach.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

And he's nowhere near the ability of Aaron Donald.

Pretty close last year, but they need to use the “no pro bowl” or “all-pro” recognition in negotiations.

I seriously have no damn clue how this guy was not a pro bowler last year.

[BossChief]

Jones was second team all pro

[TomBarndtsTwin]

I don't think anyone has any issue with Chris Jones being paid $20+ mil. per year going forward. But he shouldn't be asking for Aaron Donald's contract (or more). Donald is the reigning NFL DPOY and 1st Team All Pro four of the last 5 years. Chris Jones is not Aaron Donald.

The Chiefs have a cap to think about going forward and a QB that is about to breakthrough every contract barrier ever known to professional football players.

If Jones can perform like Aaron Donald-lite in his age 24 and age 25 seasons, then I have no issue with them sitting down after this season and discussing giving him Aaron Donald money. But he needs to do it first.

He's had ONE elite season to this point. I love Jones, but pump the breaks on 'pay him like Donald'.

[O.city]

If there was a scenario where you could trade Chris Jones and use that compensation to trade for Jalen ramsey, would that interest anyone?

[Buckweath]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Pretty close last year, but they need to use the “no pro bowl” or “all-pro” recognition in negotiations.

I seriously have no damn clue how this guy was not a pro bowler last year.

Pretty close? Jones is nowhere close to Donald's level and will never be IMO.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by O.city

If there was a scenario where you could trade Chris Jones and use that compensation to trade for Jalen ramsey, would that interest anyone?

Nope

[Chiefs=Champions]

Originally Posted by O.city

If there was a scenario where you could trade Chris Jones and use that compensation to trade for Jalen ramsey, would that interest anyone?

No way.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by O.city

If there was a scenario where you could trade Chris Jones and use that compensation to trade for Jalen ramsey, would that interest anyone?

No.

An elite, disruptive DT is much more valuable in today's NFL than an elite CB. Especially with all the bullshit rule changes.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Nope

Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

No way.

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

No.

An elite, disruptive DT is much more valuable in today's NFL than an elite CB. Especially with all the bullshit rule changes.

I don't think I would either, but i'd give it some thought.

The rule changes do make it tougher on DB's, but having a Db that's elite and able to be elite inside that rule structure is pretty hard to find. Well, Ramsey is that.

Plus I thought the argument was that the new coaching staff on D was going to be able to do what the Pats did and get pressure and such thru their use of different formations and such. Well, if that's the case, here's an opportunity to get some value and balance it out in another area of the defense.