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Old 01-21-2019, 08:39 PM  
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How the Pats shut down Hill
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Old 01-21-2019, 09:10 PM   #16
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So we did that or should have done that more?
Should have.

Reid was running Hill deep to clear out the underneath. It's incredibly effective if the blocking holds up and the other receivers are making plays...but

1) Kelce might as well have been Jake O'Connell yesterday
2) The OL could not hold their blocks long enough for the D to clear out
3) Mahomes held on to the ball too long

Pass blocking improved in the second half which is why Watkins put up so much yardage. However, using Hill horizontally and motioning him creates chaos for the defense and would actually force McCourty up (eventually), which would open up things for all the receivers over the top.

To use a boxing analogy:

Pre-prison Tyson used his jab, footwork, and defense to get inside on his opponent and set up combinations that took their heads off. Post-prison Tyson waded into the pocket and looked for a single bomb. It could still work, but it was much easier to defend, and left him open to far more punishment.

Andy's gameplan was like post-prison Tyson.
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Old 01-21-2019, 09:14 PM   #17
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Reid's play calling, especially in the first half, basically hung Mahomes out to dry. I don't think that I can bring myself to watch the all-22 when it's available, because this loss hurts too much right now, but I think the film will show that Reid called very few short crosses, or short slants, which would have helped Mahomes avoid holding the ball so long, plus it would have helped him get into a rhythm much sooner.

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Yeah. I noticed that. My thinking was that Reid didn't want them making half time adjustments, so he didn't pull out the short stuff in the first half.
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Old 01-21-2019, 09:44 PM   #18
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Having a safety assigned to Hill deep isn't all that important if you have him running drag routes and jet sweeps to stretch the Patriots horizontally.
This is part of the puzzlement.

It's astonishing to me that they were able to do this to us.

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Old 01-21-2019, 10:10 PM   #19
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Why didn’t the chiefs do this to Edelman?
I've heard that it's because they run pick-play and pick plays are impossible for mortals to defend.

Wait, apparently it's because our defensive unit is too stupid to run a system that's complex enough disguise the coverage we're going to run. So Brady and Romo knew what we were doing as soon as they got to the line, so we were toast.

I might be generalizing too much...
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:13 PM   #20
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Why didn’t the chiefs do this to Edelman?
Because our Defensive coaches suck and our players are undisciplined.

The most our coaches do on defense is trying to keep the players running around in the right part of the field. The rest is just luck.
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:44 PM   #21
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Why didn’t the chiefs do this to Edelman?
Because Bob Sutton is a ****ing Moran!
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:03 PM   #22
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Sutton gonna Sutton.

Was calling out every 3rd and 10 in OT, ‘DOUBLE EDELMAN!!’

We saw how that went. Free releases and another NE first down.
Also having safeties 10 yards beyond first down marker.
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Why didn’t the chiefs do this to Edelman?
Because everything about our defense and it’s coordinator is a dumpster fire. People(not saying you personally)got way to excited about holding a Raiders team that had a less than 0% interest in the game to 3 points and a Colts dome team whose QB probably had his worst game ever to 6 points. This defense was a hot POS all year. They’re not capable of covering Edelman or any 1/10th decent NFL player
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If you double Edelman then Brady will just focus on Gronk, or get to Hogan through his progressions. I do think the Chiefs would have been wise to jam Edelman at the line to throw off the timing and give the pass rush a little more time to get there. A prime Berry would have allowed them to do that, as he could cover Gronk fairly well. As is, they didn't have the horses, especially if they both weren't on the same side and you couldn't use triangle coverage.

Greater imagination in defensive fronts (amoeba looks, standing DL) or late shifts just before the snap to **** with Brady would have also helped.
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The Chiefs offense spent a lot of that game being stubborn as **** thinking they'd just keep taking deep shots.

It's called realizing what they're doing and adapting, a few drags and screens and you either get them out of that defense or show them ok fine we'll do this all game.
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If you double Edelman then Brady will just focus on Gronk, or get to Hogan through his progressions. I do think the Chiefs would have been wise to jam Edelman at the line to throw off the timing and give the pass rush a little more time to get there. A prime Berry would have allowed them to do that, as he could cover Gronk fairly well. As is, they didn't have the horses, especially if they both weren't on the same side and you couldn't use triangle coverage.

Greater imagination in defensive fronts (amoeba looks, standing DL) or late shifts just before the snap to **** with Brady would have also helped.
Easier said than done. It’s damn near impossible to show a look that Brady hasn’t seen before. You can only hope to capitalize on the few times he gets caught slipping.
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Why didn’t the chiefs do this to Edelman?

You funny, haha.
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That's why Sammy Watkins had a big game. Glad he was healthy.

I'm almost positive that's why the Chiefs signed for games like yesterday.


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Watkins had 4 catches...they were big plays but 4...Mahomes missed a ton of people in that game Williams probably should have had 10 catches.
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