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Old 02-26-2020, 10:28 PM  
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Old 06-03-2020, 03:19 PM   #34411
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It also hasn't been quite 2 weeks yet.

By next week, we'll know.
I thought the 14 day thing had been debunked and is now like 11 days?
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 06-03-2020, 03:35 PM   #34412
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I thought the 14 day thing had been debunked and is now like 11 days?
I thought it was 5 days to show symptoms and 14 days to recover.

But every day there seems to be new information or some outlier set of symptoms, at this point if I grew a dick out of my forehead and my Dr. said it was COVID, I'd probably believe it.
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Old 06-03-2020, 04:09 PM   #34413
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I thought it was 5 days to show symptoms and 14 days to recover.

But every day there seems to be new information or some outlier set of symptoms, at this point if I grew a dick out of my forehead and my Dr. said it was COVID, I'd probably believe it.
I think symptom onset is generally within 4-5 days on average. (As few as 2, as many as 14)
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Old 06-03-2020, 04:24 PM   #34414
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There’s a couple scenarios about the Ozarks though. Maybe no one there had it/had already had it since it’s been around for awhile now. They did get it but are one of the many who haven’t shown symptoms, or they have it and it’s mild and haven’t been to the dr yet.
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Old 06-03-2020, 06:18 PM   #34415
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Covid is over. The weather channel app took its covid information section down for hurricane information.
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Old 06-03-2020, 06:36 PM   #34416
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Number of active cases has made a lower low for the first time since all this started. I hope this isn't because of all the shit going on. This is the first time we have moved lower, bounced back then moved below the previous low (lower low).
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:37 PM   #34417
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:44 PM   #34418
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WHO has resumed studies of hydroxychloroquine btw............

After they realized the Study published by Two of the world’s leading medical journals – the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine – published studies based on Surgisphere data. The studies were co-authored by the firm’s chief executive, Sapan Desai.

The World Health Organization and a number of national governments have changed their Covid-19 policies and treatments on the basis of flawed data from a little-known US healthcare analytics company, also calling into question the integrity of key studies published in some of the world’s most prestigious medical journals.
A Guardian investigation can reveal the US-based company Surgisphere, whose handful of employees appear to include a science fiction writer and an adult-content model, has provided data for multiple studies on Covid-19 co-authored by its chief executive, but has so far failed to adequately explain its data or methodology.


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Old 06-03-2020, 08:51 PM   #34419
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He starts by asking for something that is in the works--an RCT. The WHO, your boogeyman, is conducting a five-armed RCT right now called the SOLIDARITY Trial. The very trial that he's asking for just stopped recruitment in the hydroxychloroquine arm due to concerns over safety and efficacy--that is--they are stopping early because the results are so bad that it is likely not worth continuing.

With that said, observational trials are not "bad science" as he claims. That shows a complete misunderstanding of what science is. Observational trials have limitations, and those limitations are greater than one finds in an RCT. That's why we strive for RCTs. But in cases where we don't yet have the time, funding, or ability to initiate and compile the data for said RCTs, observational trials still have value, and several of them together, have greater value.

The errors in the Lancet study that were caught are an indication of the value of peer review. While it would be nice to have a perfect study, those of us that look at these often will tell you that there is no such thing, which is why they are looked over in such exacting detail given the consequences. Those errors are also comparatively minor and did not affect the underlying conclusions or hazard ratios in any meaningful fashion.

If you don't believe the Lancet study, then you are more than welcome to look at studies published in the New England Journal and JAMA, each of which had thousands of patients enrolled and found no benefit to hydroxychloroquine use.

Or, you can use Raoult's study with 22 people with mysterious attrition in six and no control group or Peak Prosperity.

By the way, here is your "source" talking about bad science:

https://www.peakprosperity.com/bombs...uci-connected/

A conspiracy theorist website claiming that Fauci could be connected to the creation of SARS-CoV-2 in a lab, urging its visitors to invest in gold. Taco John would be proud.

But yeah, we're the arrogant ones, not the guy who has no ****ing clue what he's talking about, tutting-tutting this bullshit.
Yeah no bias here
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:53 PM   #34420
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Science works on a pretty clear dictum in this case: you must reject the null hypothesis.

The null hypothesis for all therapeutics is that hydoxychloroquine has no efficacy for the treatment of COVID-19.

What evidence can you find that rejects the null hypothesis?

I, again, can point to large, observational trials using over 10,000 patients in each case that have been conducted all over the world. They have been published here, here, and here. Every one of them failed to reject the null hyptothesis.

I have spoken at length about the limitations of observational trials, in fact, I seem to remember someone complaining about me bringing it up.
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Regarding the rest of your post, it's hard to take it very seriously when you conflate therapeutics, which concerns the efficacy of pharmacological interventions, with epidemiology, which is about the spread and control of disease.

I'll say again: what is biased about going off the evidence as presented in these trials?
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Old 06-03-2020, 09:09 PM   #34421
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It's part of trend following. Think of a stock chart. If a stock is in a down trend the peaks and troughs it makes are lower and lower. Meaning each low is lower than the previous low.

So in this case it's an indication that we might, hopefully see a down trend beginning in active cases. I fear though it's lag in counting because of all the assholes tearing shit up everywhere.
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Old 06-03-2020, 09:19 PM   #34422
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Covid is over. The weather channel app took its covid information section down for hurricane information.
Aren't we supposed to shelter in place for hurricanes too, though? Or wait - maybe we're supposed to travel for hurricanes.

I live 500 miles from a coast. I really have no idea what I'm supposed to do here.
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Old 06-03-2020, 09:20 PM   #34423
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Aren't we supposed to shelter in place for hurricanes too, though? Or wait - maybe we're supposed to travel for hurricanes.

I live 500 miles from a coast. I really have no idea what I'm supposed to do here.
Go outside and take pictures for us to enjoy.
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Old 06-03-2020, 09:55 PM   #34424
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