Chris Weinke (IMG Academy) Talks with Danny Parkins about upcoming QB class.

[mdchiefsfan]

http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_...udioId=6212845

Pretty good stuff in here guys. Sorry if Q.

[Strongside]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Who doesn't?

It's sterile and I like the taste!

[fairladyZ]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Uh...whuh?

I'm pretty sure I answered the 'why'. As to my reasoning for it, 'a lot of top picks' aren't quarterbacks and those that are aren't vying for the #1 overall pick in a draft where there is so much debate over the consensus top QB available.

It's not terribly instructive to look to what other prospects do, IMO. What Geno should do is show the confidence in himself and his ability and go throw at the damn combine, when he'll be able to go stand shoulder to shoulder with the people he's claiming he's better than and prove it.

I like your posts and very informative on things you've seen with geno and realist about his flaws (as opposed to others). I've seen much of the same that you've seen with his arm lacking velocity because of his footwork.

I'm curious your opinion on his mental aspect though? I know people say he's heavy into watching tape and making his game better, and that he's a true leader. I haven't watched much of geno except for K-State game, Pinstripe bowl. I want to know what your take is on his leadership skills and his mental makeup for the game? In the couple games i've watched against good defenses and being harassed he seemed to unravel on the field and on the sidelines. Also got reports of him being one of the most selfish players on the field. You think he'll impress? you think all these red flags popping up are smoke or you think there is warrant there?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Uh...whuh?

I'm pretty sure I answered the 'why'. As to my reasoning for it, 'a lot of top picks' aren't quarterbacks and those that are aren't vying for the #1 overall pick in a draft where there is so much debate over the consensus top QB available.

It's not terribly instructive to look to what other prospects do, IMO. What Geno should do is show the confidence in himself and his ability and go throw at the damn combine, when he'll be able to go stand shoulder to shoulder with the people he's claiming he's better than and prove it.

You kind of beat me to the punch.

What I was going to say was this:

Yes, it's true. Most of the top QB prospects don't throw at the combine.

However, to me this year is VERY similar to the year Cam Newton went #1 overall.

People everywhere were talking and mocking Marcell Dareus and Bowers and Tyron Smith, etc.

That year Newton threw at the combine and people were all wondering why, you know, because the top guys never throw.

Worked out well for Newton, and even though his performance was so-so, he quickly solidified himself as the #1 overall pick.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

If I was his agent and I was confident that he is the best guy out there, I'd tell him to go swing his big thing in front of everyone. That way, you position your guy to just put the cherry on top of the whole deal at his pro day, as opposed to having to prove everything in one day.

But I guess I won't be shocked if he does not throw at the Combine, just disappointed.

Exactly.

After the Senior Bowl, I don't think he's really competing with Wilson, Glennon or any of the lesser prospects.

He's now competing with Joeckel, Jones, Werner, Moore, etc...

It's like having a puppy that won't do a trick in front of people. You know he can do it. You've seen it done and by God you know this is awesome. NOW WHY THE **** WON'T YOU JUST ROLL-OVER!!!! GODDAMMIT DOG, ROLL OVER!!!!

Go prove it, Geno. Because if you keep dodging challenges and as a consequence, can't prove your supremacy to the satisfaction of Reid and Dorsey and I have to see you slinging yogurt in Black and Silver, I will not blame Reid and Dorsey - I'm gonna blame you.

[The Franchise]

Geno better ****ing throw at the combine.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

I like your posts and very informative on things you've seen with geno and realist about his flaws (as opposed to others). I've seen much of the same that you've seen with his arm lacking velocity because of his footwork.

I'm curious your opinion on his mental aspect though? I know people say he's heavy into watching tape and making his game better, and that he's a true leader. I haven't watched much of geno except for K-State game, Pinstripe bowl. I want to know what your take is on his leadership skills and his mental makeup for the game? In the couple games i've watched against good defenses and being harassed he seemed to unravel on the field and on the sidelines. Also got reports of him being one of the most selfish players on the field. You think he'll impress? you think all these red flags popping up are smoke or you think there is warrant there?

I try to steer clear of that stuff. I don't hear this kid in the huddle. I don't see him watch film.

I see that his teammates seem to enjoy playing with him. I know guys love to play for someone that will stand in the face of a rush, plant his foot and fire - something Geno's always willing to do. I saw him keep bringing his offense on the field and attack every time his defense failed and I heard him fall on grenades for them. I also saw him have a bit of a petulant bitch streak in the Pinstripe Bowl that I wasn't a fan of.

So in the end, if I try to say I know what he is as a leader, I'm kinda talking out my ass. But I do like to get as much information as I can get and if he doesn't throw at the combine, it suggests to me someone that's not quite as confident in himself as I'd like him to be.

[fairladyZ]

sounds good. The kid definitely has all the talent, just a couple tweaks in his footwork. Only thing i've ever question'd about him was the mental aspect, but like you said it's hard to know any of whats fact and fiction. Thanks for your take on it though, appreciate it.

I agree he needs to throw at the combine though, not only needs to show his skillset but show his progress towards becoming a better QB for the league. If not then yes red flag for sure.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

What he really is?

Hard to say 100% for certain.

He's absolutely a top-flight prospect with very high ceiling. He's got almost everything you look for in a franchise QB.

I wasn't arguing that at all just trying to understand his game. He doesn't have a rocket arm or and elite arm. He has a good arm with a quick release and great touch on his deep ball though and I'm all for picking him with the first pick in the draft.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's only my !@#$ing signature...

People are idiots.

Lol you specifically started out by saying you liked geno

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by philfree

I wasn't arguing that at all just trying to understand his game. He doesn't have a rocket arm or and elite arm. He has a good arm with a quick release and great touch on his deep ball though and I'm all for picking him with the first pick in the draft.

He does have a rocket arm. He has poor footwork and very rarely sets his base before throwing, which leads to passes that don't look zippy.

When his feet are right, he absolutely does have an elite arm.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I try to steer clear of that stuff. I don't hear this kid in the huddle. I don't see him watch film.

I see that his teammates seem to enjoy playing with him. I know guys love to play for someone that will stand in the face of a rush, plant his foot and fire - something Geno's always willing to do. I saw him keep bringing his offense on the field and attack every time his defense failed and I heard him fall on grenades for them. I also saw him have a bit of a petulant bitch streak in the Pinstripe Bowl that I wasn't a fan of.

So in the end, if I try to say I know what he is as a leader, I'm kinda talking out my ass. But I do like to get as much information as I can get and if he doesn't throw at the combine, it suggests to me someone that's not quite as confident in himself as I'd like him to be.

I saw that outburst in the Pinstripe Bowl too.

How would you feel if you had geared up for a team that you had never beaten and your coach decided to go into a shell and play to lose?

He had every right to be mad. He should have handled it better.

That outburst to me is something ALL kids do when they get frustrated. It will go away as he ages, probably without ANY coaching at all. It's just part of growing up.

[WildTurkey]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You need to watch more because he has absolutely done that.

The problem is that more often than not, he doesn't get his feet right, so it comes out different.

When he gets his feet right, he can throw it on a rope.

This. He's got a plus arm as is but when he fixes that slight footwork issue I could see him being in the conversation having a top ten arm, if not top ten, certainly top half.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I saw that outburst in the Pinstripe Bowl too.

How would you feel if you had geared up for a team that you had never beaten and your coach decided to go into a shell and play to lose?

He had every right to be mad. He should have handled it better.

That outburst to me is something ALL kids do when they get frustrated. It will go away as he ages, probably without ANY coaching at all. It's just part of growing up.

Yup. A brick is not a wall.

The outburst was just a brick. I'll give it it's due weight and continue looking at the rest of the package. I won't ignore it, nor will I claim it is dispositive of his worth as a leader.

There are a shitload more bricks forming his 'good' wall than his bad one...

[O.city]

One thing I've noticed is that he seems to be a little over taken with his touch, which is very good. He has great touch and anticipates throwing to different levels well, but he struggles at times, when he needs to rip it, instead throwing a touchy pass.


Could be footwork could be a mental thing, dunno yet. Does seem when his footwork is right, he has a plus arm. Its not Stafford, but really, who is? Dude could throw a tennis ball thru a brick wall.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by O.city

One thing I've noticed is that he seems to be a little over taken with his touch, which is very good. He has great touch and anticipates throwing to different levels well, but he struggles at times, when he needs to rip it, instead throwing a touchy pass.


Could be footwork could be a mental thing, dunno yet. Does seem when his footwork is right, he has a plus arm. Its not Stafford, but really, who is? Dude could throw a tennis ball thru a brick wall.

I'd pay money to see a dodge ball game with Flacco, Stafford, Cutler, and Rodgers.