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USA Today hit piece on the Chiefs' "Brutal History of Domestic Violence"

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ce/3683231002/

What's behind the Kansas City Chiefs' brutal history of domestic violence?


No other franchise in the NFL has compiled a record of domestic violence quite as brutal as the Kansas City Chiefs.

► In 2012 alone, the organization had two domestic murder-suicides, one at the hands of a player, Jovan Belcher, and the other at the hands of another employee.

► Since November 2017, three players have been suspended for alleged violence against women or children during their time with the team. The latest is wide receiver Tyreek Hill, whose status in the NFL has been in limbo since an audio recording aired on local TV last month suggesting he broke the arm of his 3-year-old son.

► Since 2015, the team also acquired at least three players who were kicked off of college teams for alleged domestic violence, most recently in April with the trade for defensive end Frank Clark. The other two are Hill and defensive back Justin Cox, who then was released by the team after another arrest.

With this many issues in recent years, questions about the franchise's culture and its efforts to address domestic abuse issues have come to a head ó again.

ďAt some point, itís going to be bad for the Kansas City Chiefsí bottom line if they keep ignoring domestic violence and if they continue to select players with those kinds of histories,Ē said Kim Gandy, president of the National Network to End Domestic Violence.

On Thursday, Chiefs president Mark Donovan met with domestic violence groups, including the parents of Jamie Kimble, who was fatally shot in 2012 by her ex-boyfriend, a Chiefs stadium operations employee who then shot himself. In her memory, her parents started a foundation that promotes building domestic violence policies in the workplace, among other endeavors.

Their goal is to stop it. In the case of the Chiefs, such issues go back decades, all under the ownership of Lamar and Clark Hunt.

The Kimble family didnít return messages seeking comment. Donovan said the meeting covered "education and creating best-in-class awareness of what people can do to help address the issue."

He disputes the notion the Chiefs are an "outlier" in the NFL with domestic violence, at least in the past 10 years. It depends on how the problem is measured. Only two teams ó Denver and Miami ó have recorded more domestic violence arrests or charges since January 2000 than the Chiefs, who have seven with the Belcher murder included, according to USA TODAY Sports' NFL player arrest database. By comparison, Denver and Miami haven't had nearly the same trouble as the Chiefs since the Belcher tragedy, which helped raise awareness of domestic problems in the league, along with the 2014 video footage of Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice assaulting his then-fiancee.

The database includes more than 110 domestic citations and more than 930 citations overall but doesnít count incidents that donít result in charges or arrests, such as the recent cases involving Hill and running back Kareem Hunt, who was shown on video last year shoving and kicking a woman before the team released him. In his case, the Chiefs had no tolerance for it, unlike with other ugly cases in team history.

There has been a common denominator in all the Chiefsí successes and failures, on and off the field, through six head coaches over the past 20 years. Since its first year of existence in 1960, the franchise has been owned by the descendants of the former richest man in America, H.L. Hunt, a Texas oil wildcatter and bigamist who sired 15 children with three wives before his death in 1974.

One of those children, Lamar Hunt Sr., founded the franchise in Dallas, relocated it to Kansas City in 1963 and passed along ownership of the team to his children before his own death in 2006.

His son Clark Hunt, 54, is the teamís current controlling owner. He couldn't be reached for comment.

"It's one of the most respected families in all of sports," NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy told USA TODAY Sports on Thursday. McCarthy added that Chiefs players have done exemplary work off the field and lead the league with five NFL "Man of the Year" recipients since 1970. Donovan also stresses the high esteem of the Hunt family in Kansas City and the fact that the Chiefs have one of the best programs in the league for player engagement, according to the NFL.

The extended Hunt family still has its own complicated history with domestic abuse ó which has claimed about one in four women in the U.S. as victims, according to research cited by the National Domestic Violence Hotline.

► In 1999, Chiefs co-owner Lamar Hunt Jr. was sued in civil court for allegedly sexually assaulting his mentally disabled sister-in-law two years earlier. The case was settled for around $2 million, according to the Dallas Morning News. Hunt Jr. didnít return messages seeking comment.

► In 2002, Al Hill Jr., H.L. Huntís eldest grandson, pleaded no contest to misdemeanor assault. Hill, a former business partner of his uncle Lamar Hunt Sr., was required to attend 24 weeks of batterer intervention counseling, the Morning News reported. He died in 2017.

► Another offspring of H.L. Hunt, daughter June Hunt, has made the issue a personal cause as a Christian counselor who teaches about recovery from abuse. She has written books called How to Rise Above Abuse and How to Deal with Difficult Relationships. A representative said she wanted to talk to her family before commenting.

In Kansas City, Clark Hunt has taken a more corporate approach to the problem, similar to other NFL owners who have faced varying degrees of domestic cases. The difference with the Chiefs is the severity of recent incidents and their number of domestic cases, which is double the league average, according to the database.

The list includes former running back Larry Johnson, who faced two domestic cases and two others involving alleged abuse against women during his time with the team from 2003 to 2009.

"They were more upset about the image it cast," Johnson told USA TODAY Sports this month about Chiefsí ownershipís response to his incidents. Regarding Clark Hunt, Johnson said, "Heís always been business, business, business, and he only cares about the guys he cares about."

The first time he was arrested with the Chiefs, in 2003, Johnson was accused of slapping his girlfriend and threatening her with a gun. That case led him into anger-management classes and a diversion program, his first test of tolerance with the franchise. At the time of his arrest, head coach Dick Vermeil said in the Kansas City Star that "I've been told his side of it, and I believe him ... (I) always believe the player. You know him so well. I always go on that side."

Johnson, now 39 and retired, since has watched how the team has dealt with the cases of Kareem Hunt and Hill.

"I donít think theyíre really equipped to handle these kids," Johnson said. "You have old men who donít hang around young black kids the majority of their lives. They only look at us as far as stock or employees. Thatís all they know of us."

That dynamic is not exclusive to the Chiefs. It also wasnít the first time the Chiefs gave multiple chances to a talented young player, as shown in a sequence in 1994 that would be shocking by todayís standards.

On Jan. 4 of that year, wide receiver Tim Barnett was sentenced in court to 10 days in jail after pleading guilty to assault and battery against his wife the previous year ó his second domestic case in about 15 months.

Four days later, the Chiefs played the Pittsburgh Steelers in a playoff game at home. The team ó and a judge ó allowed Barnett to play despite his jail sentence, and he ended up catching a dramatic touchdown pass from quarterback Joe Montana in the fourth quarter to help force overtime and eventually win. It was the last time the Chiefs won a playoff game at home until this year, but it wasnít a happy ending for Barnett.

About five months later, he was accused of sexually assaulting a 14-year-old hotel maid in Milwaukee. The Chiefs finally released him afterward. He later was sentenced to three years in prison for the incident and never played in the NFL again.

"Itís not that they gave me chances," Barnett told USA TODAY Sports recently. "They made me go through the things I had to go through. It wasnít like they just turned their heads, and said, 'OK, no problem.' Thatís not the case. You have to go through the counseling and all the procedures."

McCarthy said the Chiefs were one of the first teams to have a full-time licensed clinician on hand to address mental health issues. Asked about what the team does to support players who join the Chiefs with prior domestic histories, Donovan said every situation is different.

"Without going through the specifics ... I would say confidently that we do as much, if not more, than any other team in the National Football League," Donovan told USA TODAY Sports.

Domestic violence experts still are alarmed by the recent history.

Gandy, the domestic violence expert, is particularly worried about two aspects in the case involving Tyreek Hill.

In 2015, he pleaded guilty to assaulting and choking his girlfriend at Oklahoma State. He was kicked off the team, put on probation and required to complete a battererís intervention program.

"It was a strangulation case, which is a significant predictor for lethal violence in the future and homicide," Gandy noted, citing research that shows that if domestic violence victims have been strangled in the past by a domestic partner, their risk of being killed by them is 10 times higher.

Gandy also referenced the audio recording that aired last month in which his fiancee Ė the same women he assaulted in college Ė is heard talking about how their young son is terrified of him.

"You need to be terrified of me, too, (expletive)," Hill replies on the audio.

Combined with his prior strangulation case, "that scares the hell out of me," Gandy said.

Two murder-suicides already haunt the franchise ó the one that cost 31-year-old Jamie Kimble her life in September 2012 and the one that overshadowed it three months later. Thatís when Belcher fatally shot his girlfriend, Kasandra Perkins, before driving to the team training facility and killing himself. Police said then the team had been aware of the coupleís problems and provided counseling.

At the time, it seemed like a seminal moment for the team and the NFL. But it wasnít. It wasnít until the rise of social media and easy video-sharing that the NFL got significantly tougher on punishing domestic offenders ó in direct response to public outrage over seeing what domestic violence actually looked like.

Before 2014, such offenders often got no more than two-game suspensions from the NFL, which largely deferred to the judicial system, where such crimes can be difficult to prosecute because of uncooperative witnesses.

That all changed in 2014, when Rice was arrested for hitting his then-fiancŤ at an Atlantic City casino. The NFL initially gave him a two-game suspension after he entered a pretrial intervention program through the court. Then came the video. TMZ aired it later that year, showing Rice knocking the woman unconscious in an elevator. Rice never played again after that. The NFL since has issued longer suspensions even in cases without charges or arrests, such as with Kareem Hunt, now with the Cleveland Browns and suspended for eight games.

He likewise might never have been released by the Chiefs without TMZ airing the video of him at a hotel in February 2018.

After that aired in November, Clark Hunt (no relation to Kareem Hunt) told reporters "our scouting staff does a really good job of vetting players, and part of that analysis is their character. Obviously itís very hard to learn everything about somebody. ... Weíre certainly going to try to get better but I donít think you can ever be perfect in that regard."

The child abuse investigation soon followed with Hill, a Pro Bowl player who also appeared to have escaped trouble until the audio recording aired last month. An attorney for Hill has disputed the claims in the recording, but Hill since has been suspended indefinitely as the team and the league decide what to do next.

Ruth Glenn, president of the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, said the public visibility of NFL teams should make them wary of acquiring or keeping players with domestic histories, and not just because domestic assailants often re-offend. Itís also because putting up with it sends a public message that itís not a big deal. This is why the NFL has tougher standards than the regular judicial system for alleged perpetrators ó even though data shows that NFL players are arrested with less frequency than the general population.

"It may hurt the bottom line, which is money ... but if you really care about this culture and this nation, you will listen to your values and say, 'Heís a great player, but do we really want him representing our team, to really put that message out there that itís OK?' " Glenn said.

Like other teams, the Chiefs consider background checks on player prospects and weigh personnel decisions on a sliding scale of risk vs. investment and talent. The better the player, the harder the decision can be to cut ties with him, unless thereís powerful video of the incident. There was no video of Larry Johnsonís incidents, for example.

"I was a first-round pick," Johnson told USA TODAY Sports. "They werenít going to just release me because youíre just not going to release me ó almost the same as Tyreek Hill situation. Itíd hit newspaper, go to court, case would drop, Iíd plead no contest, never do jail time.Ē

The decision wasnít as hard for the Chiefs in November 2017, when Roy Miller, a backup defensive lineman, was arrested after a domestic incident with his wife, who had marks on her face and neck, according to the police report in Jacksonville, Florida. The Chiefs cut him two days later. He later entered a diversion program and was suspended by the NFL for six games.

He never played in the league again but was back in the news last month when he was arrested on a child-abuse charge.

He has pleaded not guilty. His ex-wife didnít return a message seeking comment.

A decision is still pending on Hill.

"We havenít made a decision on the Tyreek stuff, and thatís because we havenít gathered all the information, and I think the league is still in the process of that," Donovan said. "We gathered the information on Kareem Hunt, and we made a decision. And we go through the same process. Itís a process thatís important to our culture. Itís important to our organization. Itís important to being a member of this community."
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Old 05-20-2019, 05:10 PM   #451
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When it is reported as an 11 minute tape and they play a couple of clips out of it I guess you could say it was edited. That leaves out any context for the clips they played and who knows just what else. As far as I know no one other then the news station and the authorities have heard the whole thing. I wish they would at least put out a transcript. You know, if they want to report fully and inform their viewers.
pretty sure it's out there somewhere.

Hootie posted it I think but he's banned. I'm sure someone quoted it.
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Old 05-20-2019, 05:59 PM   #452
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When it is reported as an 11 minute tape and they play a couple of clips out of it I guess you could say it was edited. That leaves out any context for the clips they played and who knows just what else. As far as I know no one other then the news station and the authorities have heard the whole thing. I wish they would at least put out a transcript. You know, if they want to report fully and inform their viewers.
In a matter such as this, context is everything. The way the material was presented on its day of release by the news station was not only irresponsible , it was reprehensible. And now we know it was clearly being used to push a desired narrative. The first thing about that recording that didn't sit right with me in regards to how I was supposed to accept it or how the source was wanting me to accept it, was the complete lack of anger and or emotion in the conversation. In other words, the tone of the conversation did not fit the narrative that was being pushed.

That in itself was enough to make me say, "we're not getting the full picture here".
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you guys didnt get the question.

what did they suspend him FROM at this point? voluntary OTAs?


point being...he's suspended in words only for all intensive purposes.
That is the part that some have missed since the beginning, that this "suspension" is basically ceremonial until some point during between the opening of TC and week 1. That is when it might actually start to have or have a bigger affect on the offense.
I am sure that some of the players have seen Tyreek and probably went over some of the things that they have been doing. I am also sure that they will continue until a ultimate decision is made, whichever way that may turn out.
As long as he has been here, with Reid, he knows the basic routes and things he needs to work on. His vids have shown that he is still working on his strength and conditioning.
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So did KC Wolf beat a bitches ass?
He sure did! He grabbed that stuffed Denver horse and beat the piss out of him.

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pretty sure it's out there somewhere.

Hootie posted it I think but he's banned. I'm sure someone quoted it.
Interesting. A quick google search does not reveal any more than the portion shown on the news.

Did not realize that Hootie was banned again.
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