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Old 01-15-2019, 09:02 AM  
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Doesn't look like such a hard task to rebuild the defense now, does it.

In 2019:

DL:

We've got Jones under contract (and we should extend him ASAP).
We've got Derrick Nnadi under contract.
We've got Xavier Williams under contract.
We've got Justin Hamilton under contract.

We're losing Allen Bailey, however, so we'll need to add a piece.

OLB:

We've got a choice to make on Dee Ford coming up, but we'll likely keep him.
We've got Justin Houston under contract.
We've got Breeland Speaks under contract.
We've got Tanoh Kpassagnon under contract.

That's a pretty solid depth chart. Add a piece if the value is there but otherwise, we're set.

ILB:

We've got Anthony Hitchens under contract.
We've got Dorian O'Daniel under contract.
We've got Reggie Ragland under contract.
Niemann is under contract as well, but meh.

So adding a player or two here is probably important, but now that Sutton is utilizing the top three correctly, we're pretty solid here.

CB:

We've got Kendall Fuller under contract.
We've got Charvarius Ward under contract.
Tremon Smith is under contract as well, but meh.

This is obviously the biggest area of concern. We're going to need multiple investments at this position -- and not simply bottom of the roster stuff. Assuming we don't keep Steven Nelson, we're going to need to add a starter and depth.

S:

We've got Eric Berry under contract (LET'S JUST ASSUME HE GETS SURGERY).
We've got Daniel Sorensen under contract.
We've got Armani Watts under contract.
We've got Jordan Lucas under contract.
We've got Eric Murray under contract.

Assuming this team does what it needs to do with Berry, which is force him to get surgery, then I don't think we need to make a single addition here. (That's obviously a big if at this point, and Berry could very well retire as well.)

So we're looking at some additions in the front seven, and then some major investments at CB.

That puts us miles ahead of where we thought we were with this defense.

2019 could, somehow, be even better than 2018 was. Which, considering it's going to be the last year we'll have Mahomes on his rookie contract, puts us exactly where we need to be.
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Old 01-18-2019, 10:24 AM   #76
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I'm kind of leaning towards this-

**** FA. Re-sign and extend your playmakers, let guys go that aren't worth their cap # (guys like Sorensen) and draft to re-stock. 2nd tier FA's maybe, to fill spots and compete with the young guys and draftees. Keep the core of the offense intact for the next several seasons and draft defense and o-line.
That's good in theory. And I'm totally down with not paying high ****ing dollar free agents. Man, there is real money being spent on either shit or no production. But relying on FA's for production is going to happen, like it or not - there is just too much turnover to not.

But like I keep saying, it comes down to production per unit Salary Cap.

I look back at the Sean Smith contract, and he was definitely worth 5.5 per. Is Josh Norman worth 15? I'd say resoundingly no. Even further down the list, is Talib worth 10? I'm thinking not.

I'd rather get 3 Sean Smtih's than 1 Josh Norman, even if you drafted Norman.

And drafting is super important because those are by far the cheapest dollars and any production at all is a huge value. But being smart with non-rookie deal money is the most important thing here. Whether you drafted them or not.

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Old 01-18-2019, 10:50 AM   #77
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That's good in theory. And I'm totally down with not paying high ****ing dollar free agents. Man, there is real money being spent on either shit or no production. But relying on FA's for production is going to happen, like it or not - there is just too much turnover to not.

But like I keep saying, it comes down to production per unit Salary Cap.

I look back at the Sean Smith contract, and he was definitely worth 5.5 per. Is Josh Norman worth 15? I'd say resoundingly no. Even further down the list, is Talib worth 10? I'm thinking not.

I'd rather get 3 Sean Smtih's than 1 Josh Norman, even if you drafted Norman.

And drafting is super important because those are by far the cheapest dollars and any production at all is a huge value. But being smart with non-rookie deal money is the most important thing here. Whether you drafted them or not.
That's how the Patriots have remained successful; they do a very good job of getting good production out of cheaper players.

Marcus Cannon, Julian Edelman, Kyle VanNoy, Adrian Clayborn, Cordarelle Patterson, Patrick Chung, etc...

Lots of guys that were either relatively low investment retentions or scrap heap FA veterans that they have gotten value out of. None of them are difference makers but they're guys that can help you win ballgames and cost very little of your overall cap.

Granted, it's easier to do that when you have an excellent head coach that can put those guys in positions to succeed, but that's just another way you can leverage that competitive advantage.
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Old 01-18-2019, 12:29 PM   #78
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That 'report' (sigh...it's come to this; baselessly expounding on an uncorroborated tweet is now a 'report' for all intents and purposes) doesn't provide enough context to matter.

Because it doesn't do anything to clear up whether or not that means they're leaning towards negotiating a long-term deal or not.

Does anyone here want to make a bet on whether or not he reaches the open market? Anyone at all? Of course not - because if they can't get him re-signed, there's nobody else to actually use the tag on. And if their plan is to let him walk rather than re-sign him, why on God's green earth would they not tag him and trade him? Because OF COURSE he'll have a market as a trade asset on the tag.

That snippet is just pretty much useless and doesn't make any sense on its face. I am 100% certain they'll either extend him or tag him. There's no way they just let him get to FA and take a 3rd rounder in 2020 as a comp pick in exchange when they can easily get a 2nd and potentially a 1st for him in the upcoming draft.
Oh I agree the "report" was trash.

On the tag and trade point, maybe I'm just thinking how I would feel as the player but I'm just not sure it's that likely. From the players point of view, you're just limiting their market which limits their contract potentially - I don't think I'd be signing a tag until well after the draft if I was a player.

Have there been many tag and trades in the last few years that I am forgetting?
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Old 01-18-2019, 10:20 PM   #79
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That's how the Patriots have remained successful; they do a very good job of getting good production out of cheaper players.

Marcus Cannon, Julian Edelman, Kyle VanNoy, Adrian Clayborn, Cordarelle Patterson, Patrick Chung, etc...

Lots of guys that were either relatively low investment retentions or scrap heap FA veterans that they have gotten value out of. None of them are difference makers but they're guys that can help you win ballgames and cost very little of your overall cap.

Granted, it's easier to do that when you have an excellent head coach that can put those guys in positions to succeed, but that's just another way you can leverage that competitive advantage.
Agree. There are a couple free agents that will likely be available this year that I think would fit on a relatively cheap deal. I really like the idea of picking up Jets DB Darryl Roberts the more I've thought about it. He's a guy that can play CB and FS and really has stepped up the past couple seasons. If the Chargers let Adrian Phillips get away, he's a guy I'd look at too.
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:20 AM   #80
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Throwing this in here rather than starting a new thread, PFF did a mock draft and noted how Hitchens was the WORST graded ILB in their system this season, and drafted Devin Bush, ILB at the back of the 1st.

I'm not familiar with Bush, anyone have any opinions? 1st round graded talent? Good fit for the Chiefs?
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Old 01-19-2019, 03:21 PM   #81
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I’m loving some of the mock draft acquisitions for KC that I’ve been seeing the last few days from national writers. Some of them include: Thompson (S, Bama), Baker (CB, Georgia), and Murphy (CB, Washington).

Obviously it’s way early to know when all of these guys are going to go, but I like our chances of being able to add a really nice piece to the secondary in R1.
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Jeremiah’s first mock - Byron Murphy, CB, Washington

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Old 01-19-2019, 07:49 PM   #83
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Houston, Nnandi, Jones, Tillery, Ford

That up front would be orgasmic.
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Old 01-19-2019, 09:33 PM   #84
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I’m sure it means nothing, especially from a guy who is wrong as often as La Canfora, but that tweet last week about them leaning against tagging Ford really steered me wrong.

They better not let him walk for nothing.
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I can't see realistically a Dlineman getting taken in the 1st by the Chiefs but irrationally I really want it to happen.

I was thinking yesterday would it be all that bad if they took Tillery or if Simmons fell (didn't he have some off field issues?) and you took someone like that with a small trade up then threw in both 2nds and a little something extra to go back up to the 1st again and get either a 1st round graded corner or ILB. I could live with that.
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I’m sure it means nothing, especially from a guy who is wrong as often as La Canfora, but that tweet last week about them leaning against tagging Ford really steered me wrong.

They better not let him walk for nothing.
https://nflpickwatch.com/?limit=250&...direction=DESC

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Not that picking games equates to predicting future free agency moves, but the guy is a ****ing moron. There is ZERO CHANCE Ford walks.
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I really really REALLY think the idea of getting anyone meaningful in free agency ought be just about summarily dismissed.

As has been noted, when we talk about our cap figure for next year that's not even including depth guys like Hamilton, Lucas and Butker who will all get a little bit of it. We're MUCH tighter against the cap than people are discussing if we actually get the extensions put together for guys like Hill and Jones. Common sense and long-term planning says that we really need to get those done and not enter a potential tag situation or end up letting them hit the market outright.

We absolutely have to take care of our own and now's the time to do that. Once that gets done, we're gonna be tight up against the cap and any discussion of guys like Landon Collins is just a complete non-starter unless you're willing to jettison some key part of our younger core or trade off Dee Ford.

The alternative is to simply say "**** it" and push the chips in for 2019. You tag Ford, you let Jones, Hill and Fuller play out their final years at a pittance and you get FAs with low first year figures knowing that their salaries will jump in 2020 and you're simply gonna lose 2, 3 or even all 4 of those guys. It's there. It's a possibility.

But man oh man does it strike me as foolish.
If we win today, we'll have done so while putting a pile of whatsit on the field on defense all season, the last two games notwithstanding.

No, we don't want to do that to Mahomes for the rest of his career, but it probably behooves us to get those extensions done and hope Veach is damn good at drafting defense.

We can get to the Super Bowl with a great passrush and offensive weapons out the ass. So let's try to stick to that formula as much as possible when add new players in the future. Robbing our pass rush or sacrificing the murderer's row of WRs and playmakers on offense all so we can START to rebuild our run defense will likely result in a transition year in which we don't do anything at an elite level, and we still won't be guaranteed to one day produce that effective run defense. It's dangerous.

Our effective changes are just going to have to come through a change in defensive coaching. Simplifying the scheme so young players can make a greater impact earlier in their careers and putting the pieces we DO have in better positions to play well. That's going to have to be the main source of defensive improvement.
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Could you just imagine though. A nasty top ranked defense to go along with this offense? It would be game over.
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Houston, Nnandi, Jones, Tillery, Ford

That up front would be orgasmic.
I’m on the “Tillery in the 1st” train.
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Houston, Nnandi, Jones, Tillery, Ford

That up front would be orgasmic.
Dude.

I like you, but this is like the 8000th time you've done this. It's time for an intervention.

His name is:

Derrick

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NO ****ING EXTRA N

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I was letting it slide because I'm also prone to typos from time to time, but it's clear at this point you just don't know what the guy's ****ing name is.

Nnadi. Think "Nada," as in the amount of time it takes to learn his bloody name. You wouldn't say, "Nanda." Nada. Nada -> Nnadi. Not Nnandi. Or Nnannndi.

Quit adding extra ****ing Ns. If you do that in Wheel of Fortune, you lose your turn. That means you might not be able to solve the puzzle and win fabulous cash and prizes. It would be very good to not add that extra n so you don't miss out on the cash and the prizes.

Derrick Nnadi.

Nnadi Nnadi Nnadi.

Nnan--- NO YOU ****ING DON'T. It's Nnadi.

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