Chiefs The whole key to the offseason right here

Chris Meck · 02-21-2019, 06:42 PM

I brought this up in another thread, but I feel like it may warrant it's own.

IF you cut Houston, it costs you $7 million, (5.6 if you wait till June 2 but you kinda can't wait that long to free up the cash)

If you tag and keep Ford, it's going to cost you like $16 million.

So you've got $23 million conservatively wrapped up in one position: RDE.

IF you keep Houston at $21 million, and tag and trade Ford's $16 million,

you have $21 million in that RDE position. PLUS you get the pick for Ford, which will be I think a decent #2 and perhaps a low #1.

With the extra high pick, you draft a RDE somewhere in your 4 picks in the top 64, along with a CB, and a S.

You'll have enough for one, maybe two impact FA's and be set for next year, when you can cut Houston for only $1.5 dead cap.

I think we've been looking at this wrong; it's a net savings to keep HOUSTON and let FORD go. He's also the better all-around player.

Sassy Squatch · 02-21-2019, 06:49 PM

Houston want to play hardball regardeing an extension. Ford is content to play on the tag and bet on himself. Houston can get ****ed.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-21-2019, 06:51 PM

Yup. Houston is a very curious case. If you're paying Houston $7.5m anyway, you can restructure his contract so we're basically paying him the same to stay here. He has about $5.6m in bonus money. Turn his base salary into a 5 year bonus. Pay him minimum base salary this offseason. It's basically adding maybe $2m extra to our cap.

Chris Meck · 02-21-2019, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Houston want to play hardball regardeing an extension. Ford is content to play on the tag and bet on himself. Houston can get ****ed.

why wouldn't he?

And it still doesn't change the fact that the BETTER PLAYER as an all-around talent is literally cheaper PLUS you get a high pick in exchange for Ford who's value will never be higher as trade bait.

I don't think there's anything other than an emotional argument against it.

We're keeping Houston, at his $21 million.

Chris Meck · 02-21-2019, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yup. Houston is a very curious case. If you're paying Houston $7.5m anyway, you can restructure his contract so we're basically paying him the same to stay here. He has about $5.6m in bonus money. Turn his base salary into a 5 year bonus. Pay him minimum base salary this offseason. It's basically adding maybe $2m extra to our cap.

It's been claimed he won't restructure for less guaranteed money.

I can't blame him, I wouldn't either.

Even if they DON'T convert some to bonus or whatever, he's still cheaper to keep than cut and pay Ford.

He's about an equal pass rusher and a much better run defender.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-21-2019, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Houston want to play hardball regardeing an extension. Ford is content to play on the tag and bet on himself. Houston can get ****ed.

Houston is looking at options because we won't pay whats on his contract. That's on the Chiefs, not Houston. And I totally agree with both sides. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Chiefs are basically letting Houston see what he's worth and seeing if it's worth matching.

**SAUTO** · 02-21-2019, 07:02 PM

I think the right move is to trade Ford

**SAUTO** · 02-21-2019, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Houston is looking at options because we won't pay whats on his contract. That's on the Chiefs, not Houston. And I totally agree with both sides. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Chiefs are basically letting Houston see what he's worth and seeing if it's worth matching.

What optionsare you talking about? Other teams? He's under contract.

YontsRBake · 02-21-2019, 07:03 PM

Trading Dee Ford only opens up 8 mil though, we’d have 8 mil in dead money.

Houston opens up 14 mil.

Houston cost to keep: 21 Mil
Ford cost to keep: 16 mil

Houston savings: 14 mil
Ford savings: 8 mil

Outside of gaining the pick I don’t see how this would make complete financial sense? I’d prefer to keep a player that’s proven then put everything into a draft pick in a must win year.

Sassy Squatch · 02-21-2019, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO

I think the right move is to trade Ford

I'm cool with getting rid of both of them, but I easily keep Ford over Houston.

**SAUTO** · 02-21-2019, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle

I'm cool with getting rid of both of them, but I easily keep Ford over Houston.

Ford gets you at least one high pick.

Chris Meck · 02-21-2019, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by YontsRBake

Trading Dee Ford only opens up 8 mil though, we’d have 8 mil in dead money.

Houston opens up 14 mil.

Houston cost to keep: 21 Mil
Ford cost to keep: 16 mil

Houston savings: 14 mil
Ford savings: 8 mil

Outside of gaining the pick I don’t see how this would make complete financial sense? I’d prefer to keep a player that’s proven then put everything into a draft pick in a must win year.

what are you talking about? If we tag and trade Ford, we pay nothing. If we keep him, we have to pay the tag number, estimated about $16 million.

$16 m plus $7 to cut Houston = $23 million. If we tag and trade Ford, we pay nothing. Houston's $21 million.

What am I missing? Ford is not under contract at the moment. There is no dead cap number.

Chris Meck · 02-21-2019, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO

Ford gets you at least one high pick.

And that's the BIG plus. Houston + a high pick (#2?) at less money than Ford.

**SAUTO** · 02-21-2019, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

And that's the BIG plus. Houston + a high pick (#2?) at less money than Ford.

It better be a 2 plus then. His last season is worth that to someone.

Skyy God · 02-21-2019, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

We're keeping Houston, at his $21 million.

Don’t huff paint, kids.

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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $2034910	The whole key to the offseason right here I brought this up in another thread, but I feel like it may warrant it's own. IF you cut Houston, it costs you $7 million, (5.6 if you wait till June 2 but you kinda can't wait that long to free up the cash) If you tag and keep Ford, it's going to cost you like $16 million. So you've got $23 million conservatively wrapped up in one position: RDE. IF you keep Houston at $21 million, and tag and trade Ford's $16 million, you have $21 million in that RDE position. PLUS you get the pick for Ford, which will be I think a decent #2 and perhaps a low #1. With the extra high pick, you draft a RDE somewhere in your 4 picks in the top 64, along with a CB, and a S. You'll have enough for one, maybe two impact FA's and be set for next year, when you can cut Houston for only $1.5 dead cap. I think we've been looking at this wrong; it's a net savings to keep HOUSTON and let FORD go. He's also the better all-around player.
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $2204497	Yup. Houston is a very curious case. If you're paying Houston $7.5m anyway, you can restructure his contract so we're basically paying him the same to stay here. He has about $5.6m in bonus money. Turn his base salary into a 5 year bonus. Pay him minimum base salary this offseason. It's basically adding maybe $2m extra to our cap.
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YontsRBake Starter Join Date: Jan 2014 Casino cash: $9654927	Trading Dee Ford only opens up 8 mil though, we’d have 8 mil in dead money. Houston opens up 14 mil. Houston cost to keep: 21 Mil Ford cost to keep: 16 mil Houston savings: 14 mil Ford savings: 8 mil Outside of gaining the pick I don’t see how this would make complete financial sense? I’d prefer to keep a player that’s proven then put everything into a draft pick in a must win year.
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Sassy Squatch The man you could post like. Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $2559655	Houston want to play hardball regardeing an extension. Ford is content to play on the tag and bet on himself. Houston can get ****ed.
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