DAT vs Conley

Direckshun · 11-24-2018, 10:55 AM

They’re both free agents.

Which do you think is more valuable to retain?

Which do you think the Chiefs resign?

Both? Neither?

BryanBusby · 11-24-2018, 11:18 AM

I think the Chiefs will keep DAT and let Conley walk.

RunKC · 11-24-2018, 11:26 AM

Chiefs really liked Byron Pringle and he flashed in preseason.

I think he’s Conley’s replacement.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-24-2018, 11:45 AM

they’ll both be gone IMO.

kccrow · 11-24-2018, 01:12 PM

Conley is a better overall player than DAT in my opinion but I don't think the Chiefs retain either. Like RunKC said, Pringle is Conley's replacement and I think they look to the draft or UDFA to replace DAT.

**Shaid** · 11-24-2018, 01:20 PM

Conley is probably better, DAT is able to run the Hill plays a bit better, the end around type plays, etc.

DJ's left nut · 11-26-2018, 11:02 AM

Conley's going to go somewhere on a nice little 3 year contract and get cut 2 years into the deal.

His lack of separation is just such a problem. He'll have to go somewhere with a damn clever OC who can scheme him open. And most of those damn clever OC's can scheme a 4th string FB into space so why spend money on a guy like Conley?

I see him ending up in a bad organization with a team that has space to burn and like his deep speed. Maybe a 3 yr/$18 million deal that will pay him $10 million in the first 2 seasons. Say a $6 million signing bonus with salaries of $1 million and $3 million in years 1 and 2. And he'll just be lousy.

**The Franchise** · 11-26-2018, 11:13 AM

I could see Conley going to a place like Miami.

DJ's left nut · 11-26-2018, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pest

I could see Conley going to a place like Miami.

I was kinda thinking Jets. Maybe Buffalo. Someplace that has a young QB and likes Conley's frame to be able to fight for a ball.

I think they'll be disappointed, but that was my theory.

O.city · 11-26-2018, 11:20 AM

Conley is a guy you really like having as your 3 or 4 wr on a rookie deal, but turns pretty quick when you've gotta start paying him.

I'd imagine you could draft another Conley in round 3 pretty much every year.

DJ's left nut · 11-26-2018, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Conley is a guy you really like having as your 3 or 4 wr on a rookie deal, but turns pretty quick when you've gotta start paying him.

I'd imagine you could draft another Conley in round 3 pretty much every year.

I think you can, sure.

But some NFL GM's are going to see him as a big long-strider with a nice top end like N'Keal Harry. Harry's looking like he's put himself firmly into the 1st round, maybe even approaching the top 10 so somebody's going to convince himself "well I can get Harry's measurables with experience...."

Hell, I'm not sure they're wrong, to be honest. I think Harry's gonna get overdrafted and I don't like his fluidity. But he's also just physically stronger than Conley will be; maybe more of a Dez Bryant type.

But yeah, I don't think it's smart to pay to keep a guy like Conley. If you can't find/develop him with this offensive staff, there's something amiss.

O.city · 11-26-2018, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think you can, sure.

But some NFL GM's are going to see him as a big long-strider with a nice top end like N'Keal Harry. Harry's looking like he's put himself firmly into the 1st round, maybe even approaching the top 10 so somebody's going to convince himself "well I can get Harry's measurables with experience...."

Hell, I'm not sure they're wrong, to be honest. I think Harry's gonna get overdrafted and I don't like his fluidity. But he's also just physically stronger than Conley will be; maybe more of a Dez Bryant type.

But yeah, I don't think it's smart to pay to keep a guy like Conley. If you can't find/develop him with this offensive staff, there's something amiss.

In today's NFL, why would I want to be throwing jump balls to guys like Conley consistently? Theres no reason to not go for these small fast guys, defenders can't be really grabby or physical so guys that can't get separation aren't what they used to be.

I like Conley more than I did, he's a valuable piece. But at this price, not at a free agent price.

DJ's left nut · 11-26-2018, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

In today's NFL, why would I want to be throwing jump balls to guys like Conley consistently? Theres no reason to not go for these small fast guys, defenders can't be really grabby or physical so guys that can't get separation aren't what they used to be.

I like Conley more than I did, he's a valuable piece. But at this price, not at a free agent price.

Everyone wants Julio Jones.

They see someone like Harry and think he's as quick as a small fast guy but can also dominate jump-balls.

I don't agree. And I think such a creature is just damn rare. Those guys come along every 5 years or so at best.

Like you, I'll take the flying circus approach; gimme 3 waterbugs that can pressure every area of the field. But the key to that working is still having a powerful RB and a pass-catching TE that can operate in the red zone.

For teams that don't have that, someone like Conley might be damn valuable. FGs are becoming akin to stops in the modern NFL so if you can find someone to significantly improve your red-zone efficiency, that's worth what it costs.

Someone will see that guy in Conley, IMO. It just ain't me....

RunKC · 11-26-2018, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Conley is a guy you really like having as your 3 or 4 wr on a rookie deal, but turns pretty quick when you've gotta start paying him.

I'd imagine you could draft another Conley in round 3 pretty much every year.

Give this man a shot and draft another mid round receiver.

11-24-2018, 10:55 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4413447	DAT vs Conley They’re both free agents. Which do you think is more valuable to retain? Which do you think the Chiefs resign? Both? Neither?
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11-24-2018, 11:18 AM	#2
BryanBusby In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2006 Casino cash: $3809900 VARSITY	I think the Chiefs will keep DAT and let Conley walk.
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11-24-2018, 11:26 AM	#3
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2289611	Chiefs really liked Byron Pringle and he flashed in preseason. I think he’s Conley’s replacement. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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11-24-2018, 01:12 PM	#5
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3277078	Conley is a better overall player than DAT in my opinion but I don't think the Chiefs retain either. Like RunKC said, Pringle is Conley's replacement and I think they look to the draft or UDFA to replace DAT.
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Shaid Supporter Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $3135783	Conley is probably better, DAT is able to run the Hill plays a bit better, the end around type plays, etc. __________________
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11-26-2018, 11:02 AM	#7
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $3039099	Conley's going to go somewhere on a nice little 3 year contract and get cut 2 years into the deal. His lack of separation is just such a problem. He'll have to go somewhere with a damn clever OC who can scheme him open. And most of those damn clever OC's can scheme a 4th string FB into space so why spend money on a guy like Conley? I see him ending up in a bad organization with a team that has space to burn and like his deep speed. Maybe a 3 yr/$18 million deal that will pay him $10 million in the first 2 seasons. Say a $6 million signing bonus with salaries of $1 million and $3 million in years 1 and 2. And he'll just be lousy. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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11-26-2018, 11:13 AM	#8
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3145047	I could see Conley going to a place like Miami.
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11-26-2018, 11:20 AM	#10
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2784064	Conley is a guy you really like having as your 3 or 4 wr on a rookie deal, but turns pretty quick when you've gotta start paying him. I'd imagine you could draft another Conley in round 3 pretty much every year.
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