Chiefs clear roster spot for Geno Smith - our starting QB is gone.

[Rain Man]

The Brady Quinn era has ended:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/quinn-s...3094--nfl.html

Quinn in as Seahawks' backup QB

Brady Quinn wins ... the backup quarterback job with the Seattle Seahawks.

After the Seahawks brought in Quinn, Matt Leinart and Tyler Thigpen for tryouts on Monday, the team decided to go with Quinn, the team announced Tuesday. No contract details were announced.

The backup quarterback opening was created last week with the Seahawks dealt Matt Flynn to the Oakland Raiders. Flynn lost a battle in training camp last year with rookie Russell Wilson for Seattle's starting job.

Quinn took over as the Kansas City Chiefs' starter last year when Matt Cassel was injured. In eight games as the starter, Quinn threw two touchdown passes and eight interceptions. The former first-round pick from Notre Dame also spent time with the Cleveland Browns, starting 12 games in three years, and the Denver Broncos, where he never played in two seasons.

Leinart was thought to have a chance to land the Seattle job despite lackluster play the past few seasons while bouncing between Arizona, Houston and Oakland. He played in college at USC for current Seahawks coach Pete Carroll.

Thigpen, meanwhile, possesses running ability similar to Wilson that would have worked well on the Seahawks' read-option plays. But he had started only one NFL game the past five seasons, with Miami in 2010.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58

whats less valuable to a football team than a right tackle? guard? why would a team take a player at 1.1 where you want an impact player who can change games. I dont see right tackles changing games.
Drafting Jake Long over Matt Ryan really panned out well for miami didnt it

Yeah, it's pretty amazing that no matter who is playing O-Line any particular year the great QB's seem to always be great.

[ayleswbj]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

From Jon Gruden

When Geno Smith came in for QB camp, there were a couple of big questions to address in assessing his value.



For one, you start with the question of production. With Smith, the one I get asked is this: "Is this guy simply a product of a system?" I get it. Hey, those big numbers cut both ways. They might look good, but they also make scouts suspicious. Does the system create the quarterback, or is the quarterback maximizing the system? I mean, 42 touchdowns and six picks?






Maybe the system is great, but I don't know of a quarterback who has had as many decision-making opportunities as Smith had. And you know what? He made the right decisions. For instance: Every running play that was called, he had the option to hand the ball off, but he could also check out of the play and throw it. There were always options.

Every single play they could hand it off, or throw a bubble screen or a tap screen (he completed 112 screen passes in 2012) and as a product of some of those plays, you get hit in the face and you've got to be back on the ball again before you can even say, "West Virginia.'' There's a pace to the decisions. That offense would drive a lot of quarterbacks crazy. It's hard. It isn't just "easy production" -- it can simply look easy if you have a great decision-maker. I like the mental grind that he's been trained to deal with.



It's hard to find prospects such as Smith who possess that size and that speed, but it's also that ability to make quick decisions. I think it's a great accomplishment that he ran that offense like he did. I don't like to simply say because of a track record with a system, "He's got inflated production." I hate when people say that. It's bull. The same systems can produce entirely different prospects. Smith's given himself a chance to be the No. 1 pick in the draft because he can make decisions.



The second question I'm asked is: With the recent trends with read-option capability in guys like Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick and Robert Griffin III, is Smith really a threat in multiple ways? The numbers don't really point to that, after all. The guy had a total of 152 yards rushing last year. But as I said, he's not lacking speed.



I think what's most intriguing about him is that the read-option capabilities are there, even if we didn't see a lot of it. Look, I don't ever want to just have a quarterback come into the NFL and think he essentially majored in the read-option. In the current NFL, I think there's a place for it because it does regulate what the defense can do. You get to dictate matchups and create a threat if the guy has that running skill.



So if you can be a real threat to do that, like Wilson or Kaepernick can with the right combination of size and speed, and also master the protections and master the pocket like Smith is capable of, you create that double-edged combination. If that's what you want from him, I think he can be dangerous. The way I see it, if Smith gets with the right guy and can stay in the same system to develop, West Virginia coach Dana Holgorsen has proved how he can. So you can draft him having seen him adjust to a new system and take off.



Once you get those two questions out the way, you deal with the last one. The one I've been asked is whether this guy is truly worthy of a No. 1 pick.




I answer that by considering where he is not in every draft, but for this class specifically. In this class, I definitely think he's a guy you could take at No. 1, or at least in that range if it's your top need. Sure, a lot of people say he's not as good as Andrew Luck or Griffin. Well, last time I checked, those guys aren't in this draft. It's supply and demand. In this league, you need a quarterback, and if you're a general manager or a coach you can't just operate with the idea you're content to wait until you're in the perfect position to take a can't-miss prospect. In this class, the closest thing to that is Smith. And if I needed a quarterback, I'd be willing to take him high.



We know he can throw the ball. I think he certainly can get a little better at his footwork, and it's something I tried to point out in working with him. But we know and like the overall athleticism he has. In the end, I think he's going to be a heck of a player, and that also has to do with experience.



Smith has seen it all, and so as you evaluate, you can, too. You're getting to see a body of work over four years, and it's a big body of work. We saw him play in big games, and we saw him play under two different coaches. He's had an incredible amount of things happen to him. I like that he's come from Miami all the way to West Virginia and hasn't just played for the two coaches, but has also gone from the Big East to the Big 12. A lot of people don't think that's a big deal. It is. When they realigned the NFC and the Buccaneers went from the NFC Central to the NFC South, it was a bigger deal than people realized. Switching conferences and playing teams that you're not used to playing is a very big deal.



In the end, it comes down to upside. Smith is big enough, athletic enough and sharp in his decision-making. He's charismatic and passionate. In his case, and in this QB class, if the need is there, I'm not sure what else you're looking for

I really like this article, as I watch everyone of these as well with Gruden. Now please go and find one article where he actually says anything bad about anyone of these guys. When they are in the room together its always the same. " man is this guy gonna be good." Where is there one time he said to the guys face. " Im sorry i just wouldnt draft you very high. I mean come on, he is an evaluator and a former head coach, so called QB guru. Every guy is better than the invention of sliced bread. You know he has real opinions behind closed doors.

[Chief_For_Life58]

Originally Posted by ayleswbj

I really like this article, as I watch everyone of these as well with Gruden. Now please go and find one article where he actually says anything bad about anyone of these guys. When they are in the room together its always the same. " man is this guy gonna be good." Where is there one time he said to the guys face. " Im sorry i just wouldnt draft you very high. I mean come on, he is an evaluator and a former head coach, so called QB guru. Every guy is better than the invention of sliced bread. You know he has real opinions behind closed doors.

dude what it comes down to is the number 1 pick has no value this year, because the top 10 players suck compared to other years. So we want to take a guy at 1.1 who will be the most valuable to our team saying we cant trade down. Which position is the most valuable to a NFL team? QB. Geno is the perfect qb to sit for a year and let him learn the nfl game, and at the same time pushing AS to play better because he has a rookie qb sitting behind him, if AS plays great, then awesome, we trade Geno down the road, if AS sucks, which he will, then we start Geno at the end of the season or next season and boom, superbowls.

[ayleswbj]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

How many sacks did Brandon Albert give up? The Chiefs line was more then okay. It was pointed out many times there were open receivers that Cassell just didn't see or couldn't throw the ball to with this weak ass arm.

Give me Aaron Rodgers and average O-Line anyway over Alex Smiff and blowing high picks on fatties. ****, Rodgers was winning games with the worst O-Line in football for awhile. I'm pretty sure Green Bay still knew what they had.


You must be a kid, because you don't know shit about Chief football history.

That is just where we differ, I dont believe that Geno is a game changer, as a matter of fact i feel Alex is a much more intelligent QB with just as much athletic ability. He may not have a stronger arm, but he def has a better grasp of offensive concepts than Geno. You must be an old dude, who knows to much about Chiefs history. We young kids have a term for this. Turn your blinker off.!!! Turn the page!! Its time to build a franchise again, not take upside ex.. Tyson Jackson! Think back on your history and tell me how happy you have been. Its why you are on here having a spirited debate with me.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by ayleswbj

That is just where we differ, I dont believe that Geno is a game changer, as a matter of fact i feel Alex is a much more intelligent QB with just as much athletic ability. He may not have a stronger arm, but he def has a better grasp of offensive concepts than Geno. You must be an old dude, who knows to much about Chiefs history. We young kids have a term for this. Turn your blinker off.!!! Turn the page!! Its time to build a franchise again, not take upside ex.. Tyson Jackson! Think back on your history and tell me how happy you have been. Its why you are on here having a spirited debate with me.

You dipshit. Tyson Jackson had no ****ing upside.

Yes. I remember 30 years of QB's not good enough to start for another team and the Chiefs being too chicken shit to draft one in the 1st.

It's not a ****ing debate. You are being educated Marty.

[Chief_For_Life58]

geno played in 3 different offenses under 2 different head coaches also. obviously the kid knows how to learn nfl concepts.

[ayleswbj]

Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58

dude what it comes down to is the number 1 pick has no value this year, because the top 10 players suck compared to other years. So we want to take a guy at 1.1 who will be the most valuable to our team saying we cant trade down. Which position is the most valuable to a NFL team? QB. Geno is the perfect qb to sit for a year and let him learn the nfl game, and at the same time pushing AS to play better because he has a rookie qb sitting behind him, if AS plays great, then awesome, we trade Geno down the road, if AS sucks, which he will, then we start Geno at the end of the season or next season and boom, superbowls.

I think the QBs in this draft have no value this year. All 3 left tackles are absolute studs. I think will bring stability for the next 10 years. Your willing to draft geno, sit him and hope for the best? Give me a stud left tackle anyday. This is just where our philosophies differ, but i get what your saying. And trading Geno down the road? What kind of return do you think youll get? For sure your not getting the #1 pick back, maybe a 3 rounder if lucky. So you just took a guy #1 and traded him for a 3 rounder. Look at Mallet. Is he worse than Geno? Pats still are waiting to get something good for him. Year 3!

[Molitoth]

obvious troll is obvious

[Chief_For_Life58]

Originally Posted by ayleswbj

I think the QBs in this draft have no value this year. All 3 left tackles are absolute studs. I think will bring stability for the next 10 years. Your willing to draft geno, sit him and hope for the best? Give me a stud left tackle anyday. This is just where our philosophies differ, but i get what your saying. And trading Geno down the road? What kind of return do you think youll get? For sure your not getting the #1 pick back, maybe a 3 rounder if lucky. So you just took a guy #1 and traded him for a 3 rounder. Look at Mallet. Is he worse than Geno? Pats still are waiting to get something good for him. Year 3!

we already have a stud left tackle.
qbs are what win superbowls. I woulda traded the whole draft for RG3 last year. If you dont have a top qb, you arent winning the superbowl anymore and until we find one, we'll continue to be the kings of 8&8.

[ayleswbj]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

You dipshit. Tyson Jackson had no ****ing upside.

Yes. I remember 30 years of QB's not good enough to start for another team and the Chiefs being too chicken shit to draft one in the 1st.

It's not a ****ing debate. You are being educated Marty.

Tyson Jackson had no upside??? ITs excactly why he was chosen 3rd overall!! No one had ever heard of him before the combine when he was unbelievable. He was real good at LSU but no one thought he was a top 5 pick. 30 yrs, you may have forgotten a guy name Trent Green. Who If im old enough to remember gave us 5 years of top 10 qb play. The guy was a stud. Plenty of QBs not able to start for other teams. Kurt Warner had a pretty good career after being cut, Tony Romo wasnt even drafted. So basically your saying you just wana draft a QB in the first just because you can. Pleas promote this guy to GM

[ayleswbj]

Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58

we already have a stud left tackle.
qbs are what win superbowls. I woulda traded the whole draft for RG3 last year. If you dont have a top qb, you arent winning the superbowl anymore and until we find one, we'll continue to be the kings of 8&8.

So then you should be elated with Alex Smith? He had the NFC title game won. It was over. He took the lead, stopped them and made them punt. Then Kyle Williams happened. It does not take away what he did in the playoffs, had it happened, he earned the right to play in that game. 2 muffed punts by williams and a fumble that was a no call. None of with had to do with Smith. I dont want to get this conv started, people will run wild.

[Chief_For_Life58]

Im gonna wait this year to pass judgement on AS. This is his year to improve to the next level and become what he should of been all along or be a backup the rest of his career. I just want the future qb position addressed and Geno fills that spot very nicely. I trust Dorsey and AR to make the right decisions though, they know better than us what to do and they definitely know the importance of the qb in the current nfl.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by ayleswbj

Tyson Jackson had no upside??? ITs excactly why he was chosen 3rd overall!!

Jackson was chosen 3rd overall only because ***** is a dipshit.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by ayleswbj

Tyson Jackson had no upside??? ITs excactly why he was chosen 3rd overall!! No one had ever heard of him before the combine when he was unbelievable. He was real good at LSU but no one thought he was a top 5 pick. 30 yrs, you may have forgotten a guy name Trent Green. Who If im old enough to remember gave us 5 years of top 10 qb play. The guy was a stud. Plenty of QBs not able to start for other teams. Kurt Warner had a pretty good career after being cut, Tony Romo wasnt even drafted. So basically your saying you just wana draft a QB in the first just because you can. Pleas promote this guy to GM

Ah, yes. The old exception to the rule arguments. There was once this guy drafted in the 6th round, it's possible!

Meanwhile teams like the Giants, Packers, Steelers, and Ravens are getting their guy in the 1st round and winning SB's.

7 of the last 8 teams that won the SB drafted a QB in round 1 and developed him. But yeah there was Drew Brees so if you want to go all in and put your money on the ball landing on green then that's your choice(philosophy). I'll choose red or black.

[listopencil]

That really sucks. There goes all of my Brady (Bitch) Quinn "KC BBQ" jokes.