Chiefs Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure" - Page 52

**the Talking Can** · 06:49 AM

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

some numbers to chew on from arrowhead pride

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.

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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.

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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.

There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-26-2013, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

would i sleep with a fat chick today, if a hot one was promised to me in 2 years?

i'd sleep with a fatty sans promises, but sure, I mean what are we going to say, no to finally drafting a ****ing QB...

We've been getting promises blown up our ass for 4 years.

January, 2009:

"My goal is to draft and develop a franchise QB for the Chiefs"

Three 2nd round picks traded and two middle/bottom of the barrel QB's later...

DJ's left nut · 09-26-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

J, he's not going to do that either. He might tag along for a playoff win if the defense goes apeshit and we are lucky enough to face someone like Houston.

We both know it, only one of us is willing to admit it.

What could Rich Gannon do that Alex Smith can't?

If Rich Gannon could go to a Super Bowl (and damn near another one), Alex Smith can as well. Gannon was extremely similar in style and ability to Alex Smith.

And Gannon drove those Raiders teams, though yes - he required a strong supporting cast.

I'm one that happens to think Gannon has become wildly overrated around here, but at the same time, the guy was a critical cog for a SB team and won plenty of playoff games.

I see nothing to suggest that Smith couldn't be very similar to Gannon in that regard.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-26-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Maybe we should just go without!

According to some, we already are

**the Talking Can** · 09-26-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

I mean, Hasselbeck did get royally ****ed out of a SB win.

probably the most blatant ****ing ever

he was also not known for being afraid to let it fly

part of it is context, the league is currently designed to advantage passing...but we're trying to do it without taking advantage of that advantage...which is just upping the degree of difficulty for no good reason

keg in kc · 09-26-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, come on.

Do you really believe that Alex Smith would be anyone's first choice as a starting QB?

As fans, we play the cards we're dealt.

I've said it all year long: Alex Smith is NOT Matt Cassel, despite GoChiefs false narrative.

Let's be real: does anybody take him seriously?

keg in kc · 09-26-2013, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

According to some, we already are

It's a taller Tyler Thigpen.

L.A. Chieffan · 09-26-2013, 02:52 PM

Just let the stat nerds determine the super bowl winners at the beginning of the season. Why even play the games?

Sorter · 09-26-2013, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Thanks for your input. My opinion is the NFL is now a passing league and in order to win you have to get "chunks" of yards so that is one of the biggest reasons why I don't think Alex will ever win one.

Maybe my stance will change in a month when we face Peyton.

I agree with that. However, you can still get chunks from your 12-25 stems on concepts (Levels, Razor, Topper, CBs, 3/4Verts, Smash, etc).

keg in kc · 09-26-2013, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

Just let the stat nerds determine the super bowl winners at the beginning of the season. Why even play the games?

I think the league office has already determined that it's time for Peyton to get his second.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-26-2013, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I have no idea what you just said.

Which would be why I don't play poker.

I'm first to act. I call the blind. (forced bet if you want to play)

TTC Raises.

JSP re-raises, enough to put you all in.

Chances are, you're facing monster hands. Pocket Aces, Kings, Queens, maybe AK suited.

Are you going to bet every dollar you have on pocket fives holding up against three other players?

Of course not.

Alex Smith - Pocket 5's

Guys like Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Manning, etc - you know - the kind of QB you face in the playoffs?

They are the huge pocket pairs that don't really need help from the flop.

Meanwhile, there are TWO cards in the deck that help you, and that's assuming the other three don't hit one of their cards.

Sorter · 09-26-2013, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What could Rich Gannon do that Alex Smith can't?

If Rich Gannon could go to a Super Bowl (and damn near another one), Alex Smith can as well. Gannon was extremely similar in style and ability to Alex Smith.

And Gannon drove those Raiders teams, though yes - he required a strong supporting cast.

I'm one that happens to think Gannon has become wildly overrated around here, but at the same time, the guy was a critical cog for a SB team and won plenty of playoff games.

I see nothing to suggest that Smith couldn't be very similar to Gannon in that regard.

Rich can make a phenomenal cilantro and garlic based salsa. I am unaware of Alex's capabilities in this regard.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-26-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What could Rich Gannon do that Alex Smith can't?

If Rich Gannon could go to a Super Bowl (and damn near another one), Alex Smith can as well. Gannon was extremely similar in style and ability to Alex Smith.

And Gannon drove those Raiders teams, though yes - he required a strong supporting cast.

I'm one that happens to think Gannon has become wildly overrated around here, but at the same time, the guy was a critical cog for a SB team and won plenty of playoff games.

I see nothing to suggest that Smith couldn't be very similar to Gannon in that regard.

Yeah, the game hasn't changed at all in the last decade+

Who's next, Terry Bradshaw?

**the Talking Can** · 09-26-2013, 02:55 PM

gannon made plays when he was running around

all i've seen from smith when he runs around is that he runs out of bounds...i'm waiting to see him identify WRs downfield under pressure

Sorter · 09-26-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm first to act. I call the blind. (forced bet if you want to play)

TTC Raises.

JSP re-raises, enough to put you all in.

Chances are, you're facing monster hands. Pocket Aces, Kings, Queens, maybe AK suited.

Are you going to bet every dollar you have on pocket fives holding up against three other players?

Of course not.

Alex Smith - Pocket 5's

Guys like Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Manning, etc - you know - the kind of QB you face in the playoffs?

They are the huge pocket pairs that don't really need help from the flop.

Meanwhile, there are TWO cards in the deck that help you, and that's assuming the other three don't hit one of their cards.

This helped my understanding a bit.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-26-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Let's be real: does anybody take him seriously?

His minions do

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