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Old 01-20-2019, 09:33 PM  
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Why is Mahomes incapable of running a 4 minute offense

Yeah yeah yeah defense sucks ass and Mahomes got us to OT. Cool, I don't give a flying ****. Mahomes and Andy have serious ****ing issues they need to fix. And to be frank I think it's a Mahomes issue more than an Andy one. He seems obsessed with the deep ball even when we very clearly don't need it or want it. Like he literally threw bomb after bomb on our second to last drive and one of those bombs almost got picked.

I love Mahomes as much as anyone else, but I'm hoping this isn't some weird Favre like bullshit that plagues his career forever. Hopefully Andy can drill him into being a smarter QB.
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:11 PM   #76
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At least we're not the Saints...now that was BAD clock management.
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:11 PM   #77
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Really?? So what about when Belichick had the chance to run a few more plays at the end of the game before scoring? He left 39 seconds for
Pat to tie or win the game... Which Pat did.
They never trailed again after that 39 seconds so I'd say they played it better wouldn't you?
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:16 PM   #78
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Every star player but Mahomes was a nonfactor today. Ford, Houston, Hill, Kelce, and Jones were all no-shows.
Kelce had a nice TD catch. Also had a drive-killing drop that led to easy position for a Patriots FG. Tyreek had the big play in 1st half, but Mahomes blew it with the sack that took them out of FG range. Tyreek contributed to Patriots field goal right before Kelce's drop. Awful punt return put the Chiefs in a really bad spot.

Sammy Watkins actually had a really good game. Couple of huge catches to set up TD's for the team.
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:16 PM   #79
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They never trailed again after that 39 seconds so I'd say they played it better wouldn't you?
and if the coin would've landed tails they wouldn't of have... Hindsight is 20/20 when you are looking at the game after it already ****ing happened. So what if Reid decided to waste some clock, run it, and play conservative which leads to 3 and out and Brady running the ball down and scoring and putting the game away? You and all the other simpletons on this board would be in here complaining about Reid's conservative play calling.
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:19 PM   #80
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Some of you are way too childish, or haven't been watching football for too long.

Tell me the last time a quick strike offense won the Super Bowl. Name a recent one, if ever. I'll wait

Ball control matters. I argued it on this forum and some of you stubbornly wouldn't listen. Reid's problem has always been ball control and a consistent run game or run play calling. Even Doug Pederson understood the importance of the run game last year. That Jay Ajayi trade was the smartest thing the front office did last season. They leveraged that with an explosive offense. Take the short passes and the 5 yard runs. The problem is, you have a ridiculously talented QB in Mahomes, and a ridiculous talented passing play caller in Reid. They don't balance each other out in that sense

Reid rarely leverages his explosive passing game with a good run game. Even with Hunt, he's never been known as a grind it out coach. It can win you PLENTY of regular season games. It doesn't work for the playoffs. It's why Peyton Manning struggled in the playoffs at times.
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If scoring too fast is an issue, you have bigger problems -- like a shitty defense.
Everything I said there is 100% accurate.

Let me make it simple. If you start messing around in a game that you're losing, you might never score. Would it have been better for the Chiefs to score the go ahead touchdown with 14 seconds left on the clock? Of course. Everyone knows that. You're arguing something that isn't in doubt. The Chiefs were taking what the Patriots were giving them. It's possible they could have sprinkled in a few runs. It's also possible they do that and end up turning it over on downs. I don't know and neither do you. The four minute offense is not for screwing around while you're losing. The results were negative for the Chiefs, but that doesn't open the door to criticism of how they scored.

So I emphatically restate my case: If scoring too fast is an issue, you have bigger problems -- like a shitty defense.
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:20 PM   #81
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The Patriots ran 94 plays, gained 524 yards, were 13-of-19 on 3rd down and 4-of-5 in the red zone, possessed the ball for 43 minutes, 59 seconds.

But yeah, let's blame Mahomes, not only who got us a lead, then after NE got the lead, lead us to a tie for OT.
The Chiefs and Patriots both had 4 possessions in the first half. The difference is the Patriots scored TDs on two of theirs and we totaled a scary 37 yards on ours.

To blindly ignore our offenses shortcomings today is such a ****ing joke lol.
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:26 PM   #82
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The Chiefs and Patriots both had 4 possessions in the first half. The difference is the Patriots scored TDs on two of theirs and we totaled a scary 37 yards on ours.

To blindly ignore our offenses shortcomings today is such a ****ing joke lol.
Sooo you're saying they didn't do enough to win the game and it wasn't Dee Ford's fault for lining up offsides? Dude we get it, they didn't score in the first half.... They did more than enough to make up for it in the second half. The offense is literally the only ****ing reason we even had a pulse in this game and this whole season.
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:31 PM   #83
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I'm not certain why you chose to quote me.



Everything I said there is 100% accurate.

Let me make it simple. If you start messing around in a game that you're losing, you might never score. Would it have been better for the Chiefs to score the go ahead touchdown with 14 seconds left on the clock? Of course. Everyone knows that. You're arguing something that isn't in doubt. The Chiefs were taking what the Patriots were giving them. It's possible they could have sprinkled in a few runs. It's also possible they do that and end up turning it over on downs. I don't know and neither do you. The four minute offense is not for screwing around while you're losing. The results were negative for the Chiefs, but that doesn't open the door to criticism of how they scored.

So I emphatically restate my case: If scoring too fast is an issue, you have bigger problems -- like a shitty defense.
I agree that the defense is shitty, but we knew the defense was shitty before the game. So why was the plan to give the ball back to Brady with time on the clock, and put the worst defense in NFL history against the greatest QB of all time with the game on the line? You didn't need to be Tony Romo to predict that this was not going to work. Sometimes you have to play with the team you have, not the one you wish you had, which means trying to spare the D when you have a chance to run out the clock and end the game.
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:31 PM   #84
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The Chiefs and Patriots both had 4 possessions in the first half. The difference is the Patriots scored TDs on two of theirs and we totaled a scary 37 yards on ours.

To blindly ignore our offenses shortcomings today is such a ****ing joke lol.
I'm blaming that one more on the play calling because it was ass. I also will place part of the blame on Mahomes for missing those throws that receivers was wide open, but for some reason, he just cannot hit those, and taking the sack that took KC out of the FG.

Every play counts. But the last two possessions, KC's defense could not make a single stop when it really counted. All they needed was to stop NE at the end of regulation. They failed.

Then when Mahomes got KC to tie the game, KC's defense in OT, had:

3rd and 9,
3rd and 9, and
3rd and 10.

They couldn't get off the field, at all. That's why it stands out.

You should never give up 30+ points at home, regardless.
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:38 PM   #85
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I agree that the defense is shitty, but we knew the defense was shitty before the game. So why was the plan to give the ball back to Brady with time on the clock, and put the worst defense in NFL history against the greatest QB of all time with the game on the line? You didn't need to be Tony Romo to predict that this was not going to work. Sometimes you have to play with the team you have, not the one you wish you had, which means trying to spare the D when you have a chance to run out the clock and end the game.
I understand. But you just made the argument that the plan was to give Brady lots of time to score. I wasn't on that sideline but I will say with 100% certainty that the plan was not to give Brady plenty of time. It was to score -- to take the lead. And they did that. Everyone arguing that Reid/Mahomes were too aggressive are all ignoring the fact that you don't screw around when you're losing. If it was so easy to just take as much time as you want while still scoring, every team would do that. It's not. It's intellectually dishonest to claim that simply taking more time while doing exactly what they did was somehow a foregone conclusion. I'll say this again -- the Chiefs could have just as easily tried to take time off the clock and ended up not scoring.
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People don't even know what a four-minute offense is.

Hint: it's not something you run when you're behind.
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Kelce had a nice TD catch. Also had a drive-killing drop that led to easy position for a Patriots FG. Tyreek had the big play in 1st half, but Mahomes blew it with the sack that took them out of FG range. Tyreek contributed to Patriots field goal right before Kelce's drop. Awful punt return put the Chiefs in a really bad spot.

Sammy Watkins actually had a really good game. Couple of huge catches to set up TD's for the team.
Kelcie had a couple muffs.
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I understand. But you just made the argument that the plan was to give Brady lots of time to score. I wasn't on that sideline but I will say with 100% certainty that the plan was not to give Brady plenty of time. It was to score -- to take the lead. And they did that. Everyone arguing that Reid/Mahomes were too aggressive are all ignoring the fact that you don't screw around when you're losing. If it was so easy to just take as much time as you want while still scoring, every team would do that. It's not. It's intellectually dishonest to claim that simply taking more time while doing exactly what they did was somehow a foregone conclusion. I'll say this again -- the Chiefs could have just as easily tried to take time off the clock and ended up not scoring.
The perfect game plan would be to run two 29 minute drives for scores. I wonder why we don't do that.
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Sooo you're saying they didn't do enough to win the game and it wasn't Dee Ford's fault for lining up offsides? Dude we get it, they didn't score in the first half.... They did more than enough to make up for it in the second half. The offense is literally the only ****ing reason we even had a pulse in this game and this whole season.
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I understand. But you just made the argument that the plan was to give Brady lots of time to score. I wasn't on that sideline but I will say with 100% certainty that the plan was not to give Brady plenty of time. It was to score -- to take the lead. And they did that. Everyone arguing that Reid/Mahomes were too aggressive are all ignoring the fact that you don't screw around when you're losing. If it was so easy to just take as much time as you want while still scoring, every team would do that. It's not. It's intellectually dishonest to claim that simply taking more time while doing exactly what they did was somehow a foregone conclusion. I'll say this again -- the Chiefs could have just as easily tried to take time off the clock and ended up not scoring.
You are right that it ups the degree of difficulty to run out the clock, because our normal offense really doesn't ever play that ball control style of offense. If we run the ball a couple of times on that second to last drive then that does put a lot of pressure on Mahomes. But I'd still rather have the ball in Mahomes' hands at the end rather than trusting our D. I think the winning teams really do play to get the last possession, I've seen Brady and Manning both do it. I'm sure that Brady was salivating when he saw how much time he had left to score at the end of the game.
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