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Old 08-25-2019, 11:01 AM  
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Joe Po on Andrew Luck and Priest Holmes

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Old 08-25-2019, 03:38 PM   #16
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He’s smart enough to know it’s a business and that his decision impacts thousands of people. Especially the timing of that decision.

I wonder if Luck talked to the team about him mulling retirement after the Chiefs playoff game.

If he didn’t talk to the team about this until the papers got submitted after FA, the draft and other avenues the team could prepare for his retirement, then excuse me, but **** him and **** his decision to retire right before the season starter.

If he did talk to them, them him retiring at this time isn’t a bad move...what the team did with the info was irresponsible.
By a few accounts, he told the Colts that he was retiring in March, before the draft. So...the Colts front office decided to roll with Jacoby Brissett as their start.

Suck for Lawrence.
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Old 08-25-2019, 03:39 PM   #17
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With Brissett and the talent they have, they'll be an 8/9 win team, if not better if they get a break or two.
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Old 08-25-2019, 04:02 PM   #18
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With Brissett and the talent they have, they'll be an 8/9 win team, if not better if they get a break or two.
They're in a terrible division - they may get take the division and come back to Arrowhead.
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Old 08-25-2019, 04:05 PM   #19
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By a few accounts, he told the Colts that he was retiring in March, before the draft. So...the Colts front office decided to roll with Jacoby Brissett as their start.

Suck for Lawrence.
Shit. I forgot about that. Why do elite Colts qbs decide to leave the team the year before a loaded qb class. That city doesn't deserve good qbs.
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Old 08-25-2019, 04:26 PM   #20
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Shit. I forgot about that. Why do elite Colts qbs decide to leave the team the year before a loaded qb class. That city doesn't deserve good qbs.
Itís tua or Herbert this year, Lawrence the year afterward
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Old 08-25-2019, 05:20 PM   #21
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While this blog has a good overall message, is it really fair to compare the beating QBs take to a RB getting 300+ carries a season?
Yes. Absolutely. Not everyone is cut from the same cloth. And any individual hit can ruin both a career and a life. One could argue that it's almost scarier being a QB when your left tackle misses an assignment and you have some guy plowing into your blindside than taking a regular pounding in front of you while running out the clock.

Yes, there's the issue of constant pounding, but there's also the issue of that one hit out of nowhere that knocks you the **** out.

It's a personal decision. And people looking down upon it are well off base in my view.
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Old 08-25-2019, 05:21 PM   #22
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I really struggle with the articles that come out saying I should feel sorry for these dudes because they have pain.

I mean, I have arthritis in my knees and hands. Plantar faciitis and shin splints just for good measure. It certainly affects my life and my work which is at times quite physical.

I know all that is different than taking a bunch of hits, and for the most part I have managed to avoid traumatic brain injury (not totally). But you know what I've never gotten? Even close to a vet min salary.

I don't want to be a ****ing douche, but Jesus man, at this point, any fool that signs a rookie contract either knows what they're getting into or they're dense as the center of a black hole.

In this specific case, I'm not that worried about it. I mean I'd be crushed if I were an Indy fan (God for ****ing bid), but objectively, Indy gave him the contract and he didn't violate any rules, similar to if Indy had decided to cut him. Sucks, but that's the risk you take giving giant ass contracts (See: Berry, Eric)

Given the Berry and Houston contracts in recent years and that God ****ing playoff game, I have a hard time drudging up any sympathy for any involved parties.
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Old 08-25-2019, 05:24 PM   #23
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Yes. Absolutely. Not everyone is cut from the same cloth. And any individual hit can ruin both a career and a life. One could argue that it's almost scarier being a QB when your left tackle misses an assignment and you have some guy plowing into your blindside than taking a regular pounding in front of you while running out the clock.

Yes, there's the issue of constant pounding, but there's also the issue of that one hit out of nowhere that knocks you the **** out.

It's a personal decision. And people looking down upon it are well off base in my view.
And there's the hit Holmes took from a roided up Merriman that, for all intents and purposes, ended his career.

He should've retired right then.
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Old 08-25-2019, 05:26 PM   #24
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I really struggle with the articles that come out saying I should feel sorry for these dudes because they have pain.

I mean, I have arthritis in my knees and hands. Plantar faciitis and shin splints just for good measure. It certainly affects my life and my work which is at times quite physical.

I know all that is different than taking a bunch of hits, and for the most part I have managed to avoid traumatic brain injury (not totally). But you know what I've never gotten? Even close to a vet min salary.

I don't want to be a ****ing douche, but Jesus man, at this point, any fool that signs a rookie contract either knows what they're getting into or they're dense as the center of a black hole.

In this specific case, I'm not that worried about it. I mean I'd be crushed if I were an Indy fan (God for ****ing bid), but objectively, Indy gave him the contract and he didn't violate any rules, similar to if Indy had decided to cut him. Sucks, but that's the risk you take giving giant ass contracts (See: Berry, Eric)

Given the Berry and Houston contracts in recent years and that God ****ing playoff game, I have a hard time drudging up any sympathy for any involved parties.
Totally agree with everything here, but the issue isn't sympathy or no sympathy.

It's
A/ Luck is a ****ing pussy who let his team down. OR
B/ The NFL is a violent sport and people have varied experiences. Luck has been beaten down and doesn't see the value of playing anymore in light of his own personal cost/benefit analysis.
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Old 08-25-2019, 05:29 PM   #25
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Yeah, I mean, if i had made 100 however million he has at 29 and was able to walk away from my job and do whatever i wanted, that would be pretty tough to do. Especially if i knew that my head wasn't really in it and if i kept playing, i may not be able to function at 55.
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Maybe he made so much money at the time, they couldn't surround him with a decent OL. It's the Colts, all the way.
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Totally agree with everything here, but the issue isn't sympathy or no sympathy.

It's
A/ Luck is a ****ing pussy who let his team down. OR
B/ The NFL is a violent sport and people have varied experiences. Luck has been beaten down and doesn't see the value of playing anymore in light of his own personal cost/benefit analysis.
That’s fair. I just read all that noise and it hits me like feel bad for these dudes they have it sooooo bad.

EDIT: I’ll admit I didn’t read the whole article. If I’m off base I apologize. If so, just apply my comments to the myriad of other “poor poor athletes” articles out there
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Old 08-25-2019, 05:46 PM   #28
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That’s fair. I just read all that noise and it hits me like feel bad for these dudes they have it sooooo bad.

EDIT: I’ll admit I didn’t read the whole article. If I’m off base I apologize. If so, just apply my comments to the myriad of other “poor poor athletes” articles out there
No one is asking the fans to feel sorry for them. Luck, and the others that retired early, gave a legit reason for retiring in the face of idiot fans booing them and asking why while calling them dumbasses.

And how many times have those same fans said "if you dont like it, quit". Well, they did. And the player still gets roasted and called a pussy, because fans think they are owed something.
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No one is asking the fans to feel sorry for them. Luck, and the others that retired early, gave a legit reason for retiring in the face of idiot fans booing them and asking why while calling them pussies/dumbasses.

And how many times have those same fans said "if you dont like it, quit". Well, they did. And the player still gets roasted and called a pussy, because fans think they are owed something.
No argument that many fans are morons.
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Thatís fair. I just read all that noise and it hits me like feel bad for these dudes they have it sooooo bad.

EDIT: Iíll admit I didnít read the whole article. If Iím off base I apologize. If so, just apply my comments to the myriad of other ďpoor poor athletesĒ articles out there
Nah, no need to apologize at all. It's an odd question to be posing. Football had once been such a grueling, blue collar sport. But now everyone recognizes the real dangers in it while it also leads to wealth beyond what most people can imagine. Where is the line drawn?

That's what every NFL player is dealing with right now. Other sports which are less debilitating have contracts that guarantee money while the NFL goes the opposite direction. That's why I find it hard to ever side with anyone but the players.
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