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Old 08-13-2018, 09:02 AM  
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Where comedy has gone today...

I don't agree with all comments in this vid but I do agree with his takes (and only his takes) on comedy.

Comedy should always be pushing the bubble of society and making us look at things we don't normally look at.

I'd say liberal or conservative but I can only think of 1 comic out of the 4 I know of that are conservative and actually funny while not accused of rape or sexual assault.

Conservative comics are like women - they just suck at it.

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Old 08-13-2018, 09:15 AM   #2
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I watched Eddie Murphy, Delirious on netflix(finally cracked and got that last month) the other night.

It was still funny.....but there are soooo many things a comedian couldn't say today.
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Old 08-13-2018, 09:29 AM   #3
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I hate the conversation about whether a certain political philosophy or outlook 'can' or 'can't' be funny.

It's a little bit Schroedinger's cat, where examining something changes it. And it's a little that humor is a two-way street between humorist and audience.

There are doubtless a ton of comedians with all stripes and degrees of conservative leanings in their mind, who nevertheless subvert those leanings to perform their craft. And there are all stripes and degrees of liberal comedians who have 'conservative' takes or bits that are accepted or not even examined because it's 'just jokes.'

Even when well-crafted and well performed, if you explicitly present your humor as coming from a conservative POV, the audience receives it as mean and preachy from a position of protecting existing power. It doesn't feel 'naughty.' It doesn't feel 'scandalous.' The archetypes of authority and power are too engrained as the antithesis of the archetype of the jester for audiences to overcome.

But the exact same point can be made as a 'but you gotta admit' conservative confession, . . . if it comes from a liberal base.
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Old 08-13-2018, 09:42 AM   #4
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I watched Eddie Murphy, Delirious on netflix(finally cracked and got that last month) the other night.

It was still funny.....but there are soooo many things a comedian couldn't say today.
Comedians are the damaged in our society that find a productive way of being f'ed up and not (mostly) being negative. They take that negative and make it a positive.

Or at least that's the point. The ideal...
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Old 08-13-2018, 09:55 AM   #5
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I hate the conversation about whether a certain political philosophy or outlook 'can' or 'can't' be funny.

It's a little bit Schroedinger's cat, where examining something changes it. And it's a little that humor is a two-way street between humorist and audience.

There are doubtless a ton of comedians with all stripes and degrees of conservative leanings in their mind, who nevertheless subvert those leanings to perform their craft. And there are all stripes and degrees of liberal comedians who have 'conservative' takes or bits that are accepted or not even examined because it's 'just jokes.'

Even when well-crafted and well performed, if you explicitly present your humor as coming from a conservative POV, the audience receives it as mean and preachy from a position of protecting existing power. It doesn't feel 'naughty.' It doesn't feel 'scandalous.' The archetypes of authority and power are too engrained as the antithesis of the archetype of the jester for audiences to overcome.

But they exact same point can be made as a 'but you gotta admit' conservative confession, . . . if it comes from a liberal base.
To that point I am now and will always be a George Carlin fan.

I got the chance to buy an 8 disk box set of Carlin's in 2000. I think I paid $30 for it at the time. I watched it, loved it, and it was nearly my living and talking bible.

Then 9/11 happened. When Carlin was on a talk show I watched it because the world need him. Hell, that sick bastard, he'd bring us back to comedy.

He didn't. By then he was (literally) sick himself and he was angry and bitter. He said he didn't care who died we (in America) were to blame and we created this problem.

(looking back, true. True 'dat.)

"**** your society. **** your country. I'm out - I'm done."

I can't tell you how much of that was a comedic bit, his jaded nature, or a warning to us all but it hit me wrong and I took that box set I loved 24 hours ago and essentially gave it away at a pawn shop the next day.

Looking back I don't think a thing he said was wrong it just "hurt my sensitive feelings" and I didn't want to hear it at the time. I completely rejected someone I had previously respected a great deal because "even if this is right it's not the time or the place. You can't say that now."

I couldn't have been more wrong.

He couldn't have been more right.
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Old 08-13-2018, 10:47 AM   #6
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The thing about this comedy special is that I found it lacking in jokes and humor.

There's probably nothing further from comedy than Tumblr feminism.
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Old 08-13-2018, 10:52 AM   #7
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Comedy was better when you could listen to a routine where you couldn't overtly tell if the person was liberal or conservative.
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Old 08-13-2018, 10:54 AM   #8
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I hate the conversation about whether a certain political philosophy or outlook 'can' or 'can't' be funny.

It's a little bit Schroedinger's cat, where examining something changes it. And it's a little that humor is a two-way street between humorist and audience.

There are doubtless a ton of comedians with all stripes and degrees of conservative leanings in their mind, who nevertheless subvert those leanings to perform their craft. And there are all stripes and degrees of liberal comedians who have 'conservative' takes or bits that are accepted or not even examined because it's 'just jokes.'

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But the exact same point can be made as a 'but you gotta admit' conservative confession, . . . if it comes from a liberal base.
The writers of South Park are certainly not leftists. Pretty sure they would fit inside the 'Libertarian' box. They're certainly civil libertarians.

I think it's mostly just a personality thing. Most comedians are on the left, but I'd say most are not radical leftist types. Most are not as far left as, say, Patton Oswalt or the writers at the Daily show.

Comedians, more than anyone else on the 'liberal' side of things, have been willing to call out the pro-censorship PC left. They're one of the only institutions dominated by the left that will still call out the leftists. Maybe not on late night talk TV, but I don't watch that shit anyway. They don't represent comedy.
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Old 08-13-2018, 10:55 AM   #9
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The thing about this comedy special is that I found it lacking in jokes and humor.

There's probably nothing further from comedy than Tumblr feminism.
I can't make jokes.

Me.

I have to actually now worry that a law will be passed that makes CP tell me no.

That's not a joke - we're now at that point.

Me. A guy who defended CP's first Transgender, first openly HAMAS favoring (Frankie) person, and who favored gay rights.

I was that guy and soon CP will be forced to ban me soon, by law, for hate speech.

Not that THAT'S EVEN A ****ING THING IN LAW.
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Old 08-13-2018, 10:56 AM   #10
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Comedy was better when you could listen to a routine where you couldn't overtly tell if the person was liberal or conservative.
I miss Patrice.

He was mostly concerned with, yanno, being FUNNY!

Well, we still have Billy Burr.
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Old 08-13-2018, 11:01 AM   #11
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I can't make jokes.

Me.

I have to actually now worry that a law will be passed that makes CP tell me no.

That's not a joke - we're now at that point.

Me. A guy who defended CP's first Transgender, first openly HAMAS favoring (Frankie) person, and who favored gay rights.

I was that guy and soon CP will be forced to ban me soon, by law, for hate speech.

Not that THAT'S EVEN A ****ING THING IN LAW.
I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Did someone threaten to ban you for hate speech? Do you not live in the USA?

I mean the supreme court ruled again on this recently. To the chagrin of radical leftists, saying things they disagree with still isn't illegal.
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Old 08-13-2018, 11:02 AM   #12
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Comedy was better when you could listen to a routine where you couldn't overtly tell if the person was liberal or conservative.
Agree 100%. I can't recall the time period, but we (at some point) transitioned from "humor" to "attacks" that we call humor. I have Sirius radio in my truck and one night, on a long trip from Denver back to KC, I listened to "Old Time Radio"…lots of old comedy shows. Funny stuff THEN that wouldn't get so much as a smirk today.

And this is called "progress"…..
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Old 08-13-2018, 11:07 AM   #13
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I miss Patrice.

He was mostly concerned with, yanno, being FUNNY!

Well, we still have Billy Burr.
Not sure how to take this, are you a fan of Burr?

I went and saw Joe Rogan Friday night in KC. Granted, I'm an avid podcast listener, but he was hilarious. I didn't really think of it in terms of liberal or conservative, just listened.
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I watched a a handful of clips over the weekend of Jonathan Winters and some Foster Brooks drunk bits.


Winters is absolutely insane .
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I can't make jokes.

Me.

I have to actually now worry that a law will be passed that makes CP tell me no.

That's not a joke - we're now at that point.

Me. A guy who defended CP's first Transgender, first openly HAMAS favoring (Frankie) person, and who favored gay rights.

I was that guy and soon CP will be forced to ban me soon, by law, for hate speech.

Not that THAT'S EVEN A ****ING THING IN LAW.
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